#dev 2020-05-01
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[schmarty] 🎉🎉 congrats GWG++
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# [schmarty] oh snap Gatsby just pushed out "incremental builds" which might address an issue i've had with every static site generator I've tried. https://www.gatsbyjs.org/docs/page-build-optimizations-for-incremental-data-changes/
# [schmarty] namely: maybe you can finally run a build and only rebuild pages that should change based on new data!!!!!!!
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# [schmarty] Zegnat: i was not aware of an incremental build feature in 11ty!
# [schmarty] Zegnat: looks like 11ty incremental builds are WIP: https://github.com/orgs/11ty/projects/3
# [schmarty] aaronpk: i like the idea of passing in a URL to import. the UI can be as simple as copy/paste URL _or_ make a bookmarklet :D
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# [schmarty] ah. hugo and jekyll have a similar "watch" thing, but it typically requires a running service and keeps files in memory
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lahacker i'm following up on something from last week's HWC -- is p-attendee intended for marking up yes RSVPs or more for "those that have attended" after the fact?
# lahacker https://events.indieweb.org/2020/04/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-gCtysFHMyZCP shows jacky under RSVP even though he wasn't in attendance
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# lahacker whereas gregorlove actually posted the complete list (sans microformats) in his article response
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gRegorLove Those are RSVPs, they don't update based on who showed up
# lahacker and i'd like to find a way to get that accurate list of attendees cached locally on my own site (particularly at my re-post of the event) at https://lahacker.net/events/tEY3D
# lahacker correct
# gRegorLove Hm, trying to find the attendee mf2 stuff now
# lahacker https://indieweb.org/event#Attendees
# [LewisCowles] @lahacker if you own the instance, you could add a vendor extension to "own" the "who attended", but without that, allowing you to update "who attended" seems like it could cause security friction and would need concepts that I don't know exist
# gRegorLove aha, thanks. was looking on rsvp for some reason
# lahacker yeah so gregorlove was the p-organizer
# lahacker and his blog response, really well done by the way, has the real attendance list
# lahacker seems like a nice flow to document
# lahacker gregorlove++
# gRegorLove I could imagine a UI where the organizer/admin can check the people who RSVPed that showed up, then show that list with the p-attendee (or u-attendee)
# gRegorLove But it doesn't look like we have examples of publishing the attendee microformat, at a glance.
# [LewisCowles] gRegorLove how are you building your list?
# gRegorLove My post was all manual. It's an article.
# lahacker yeah
# lahacker it'd be for my repost to have up-to-date and accurate attendance information
# lahacker or "official" attendance information i should say
# [LewisCowles] ah very cool idea. I wonder if an automated system would make it possible for private RSVP's (if that is a thing) to abstain
# [LewisCowles] from potentially being made public on someone else website
# lahacker so gregorlove you're talking about a UI for the organizer to use on meetable, correct?
# gRegorLove Not specifically, just a general idea
# gRegorLove Would probably be good to see more published examples before adding a feature like that
# [LewisCowles] [aaronpk] there are two parts to this
# [LewisCowles] 1. publishing an attendee list (possibly manually)
# [LewisCowles] 2. reading / updating event with an "attended" status
# [LewisCowles] I agree that a private RSVP (still can't find if that is a thing) would not show up on the event page
# [LewisCowles] but If I attend and do not pay particular care and attention when recording who is there, the information could "leak" into the public
# [LewisCowles] a bit like the Facebook outing people scandal
# lahacker hmm actually i think we may have something here
# [LewisCowles] searching "facebook outed me" has many such cases
# [LewisCowles] attending our events won't "out" someone of something they want to hide. I don't think. But as it's a de-centralised platform for social interactions, I think it has some merit as a consideration
# [LewisCowles] I am attending
{event} has many contexts# lahacker if the event page had a p-organizer pointing to gregorlove.com i could have my site sniff the event page a couple times in the following week to check for "addendum" response posts from said organizer
# lahacker in that post i could sniff for an embedded event w/ p-attendee's
# lahacker and lewiscowles it'd be up to the organizer to do any "outing"
# lahacker which would be covered by CoC
# lahacker and is already partially reflected when we take photos the organizer mentions that you can turn off your camera
# lahacker if meetable already has a designation for "organizer" this may be fairly easy
# lahacker puts an additional burden on organizer i suppose
# [LewisCowles] manually tagging people via who attended seems to to me. As far as has been posted I'd seen talk of organisers but nobody using markup for that, which was why I suggested an automated case would be fine if it took care of.
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# [LewisCowles] the manual case was the one I mentioned could be dangerous
# [LewisCowles] > My post was all manual. It's an article.
# [LewisCowles] perhaps I misunderstood that
# gRegorLove lahacker, that process sounds fragile, though. It also puts more meaning on my article than intended. It's an h-entry, not h-event, so wouldn't have p-attendees.
# lahacker lewiscowles i linked to three resources -- the canonical IWC event page, my re-post and the organizer's followup
# [LewisCowles] aaronpk the case I was discussing was https://gregorlove.com/2020/04/homebrew-website-club-notes/ compared to https://events.indieweb.org/2020/04/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-gCtysFHMyZCP
# lahacker gregorlove i wouldn't have suggested adding the content had you not already done so
# gRegorLove sorry, which content?
# [LewisCowles] one has a longer list than the other which was what got me thinking
# lahacker the attendance list that you created in your post
# gRegorLove ah
# [LewisCowles] it's the sole reason I mentioned
# lahacker which seems like a solid thing for an organizer to do
# lahacker which was facilitated by the etherpad
# lahacker which could become a flow for HWC moving forward
# [LewisCowles] Nobody is saying anyone HAS done anything wrong
# [LewisCowles] I was just asking if anyone considered
# gRegorLove Yes, a separate topic worth considering is that my post includes people who attended that did not RSVP. At least one of them also wasn't in the etherpad, though they have attended several meetups before
# [LewisCowles] And in the context of IndieWeb events again I don't think it's an issue
# [LewisCowles] but for the spec.. I think it is
# [LewisCowles] never tried to solve the manual case
# lahacker lewiscowles i get what you're saying -- i'm saying it'd be up to the p-organizer to perform those protections in their own way -- gregorlove already has a public list of attendees, whether i automate it or not, he did the "outing"
# [LewisCowles] in gRegorLove case I believe there is consent
# [LewisCowles] It just triggered a part of my brain and now I wish it hadn't
# lahacker i do that when i enter the chat
# gRegorLove hehe
# lahacker well i was just about to open an issue on aaron's meetable repo and it dawned on me the problem was a bit bigger than just a couple of class names
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aaronpk GWG: not much there yet https://github.com/aaronpk/Meetable/issues/91
# gRegorLove I don't post regular HWC notes, so I'm probably less likely to change them from notes/articles to something with more meaning. Personally I'm content with a human-readable list. Not opposed to it, just not a priority for me.
# lahacker i might personally update my copy with attendee information as an edit to my re-post of the event and resend a webmention -- if i were to organize an HWC meetable could chose to do something with that webmention
# lahacker i think putting your name in the etherpad could be a form of consent
# lahacker "we've got an etherpad for notes -- put your name if..."
# lahacker maybe this is getting #-meta
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# lahacker i'll skip filing a meetable issue for now -- this would really apply best to sessions and camps -- seems like the current frequency of the HWC would give us an opportunity to experiment
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