#dev 2020-05-26
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sknebel jacky: since you mentioned KDE things a few times, did you look at https://invent.kde.org/plasma-mobile/alligator at all?
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[schmarty] LewisCowles: why is this composer v2 change summary making that emoji cat cry?
# [schmarty] 🎉
# [schmarty] swentel++ very excited for updates to indigenous iOS! It is possibly the most-used app on my phone after the web browser. 😅
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# [LewisCowles] schmarty. Another thing to learn.
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# tinfoil-hat [jgmac1106]: I can give you access to my gitweb?
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[jgmac1106] tinfoil-hat you may want to think abotu your headings semantically, why does the date published for example get an h1, the summary an h2, and your title an h3...even before microformats may want to think of your semantic html structure
# [jgmac1106] I don't have crazy time now and would just be able to drop in the correct mf2...how they would get there be up to you in the future...but I think you may want to revisit your html; structure first
# [jgmac1106] if I was using a screen reader I would expect the post title to have the highest heading level...not the third
# tinfoil-hat okay, so I'd fix the headings first?
# [jgmac1106] up to you just my opinion but yes and then add a div or article tag to wrap everything in an h-entry
# tinfoil-hat do you have a good link to a howto h-entry? https://indieweb.org/h-entry <- here is just explained taht I should mark them up, but not how to do that :/
# tinfoil-hat okay, I think I understand now
# tinfoil-hat I'm going to try and report back
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# tinfoil-hat [jgmac1106]: would the <h1> entry displayed on top of the RSS Feed?
# [jgmac1106] that is separate and usually in your head a a <link> somethign like: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/3484318b383a0604bbdef765c628c32b
# tinfoil-hat Maybe I sould post for everyone. I am trying to create RSS Feeds for my Bloposts at: https://tinfoil-hat.net/blogposts/structure.html that I have to fix <h1> I got, but I have another question: How would I wrap all my feeds in a <div>, when that would mean I have to div across web pages? I have no Javascript on that page (I'm obviously no professional)
# [jgmac1106] no do I, and I may suggest going to one of the HWC on Wednesday for some hands on help,
# [jgmac1106] but I use a tool called granary to take all my h-feeds and make them into rss
# tinfoil-hat HWC?
# [jgmac1106] What is HWC?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a growing world-wide network of meetups for everyone who wants to take back their web experience from social media silos, and own their online identities & content, or just want support with blogging! https://indieweb.org/hwc
# [jgmac1106] so once your HTML and then your metadata is correct you can use tools to generate the RSS for you
# tinfoil-hat oh, the nearest from me is in Berlin, that is like 700KM away and I have no car :D
# [jgmac1106] everything is online now
# tinfoil-hat ty
# [jgmac1106] What is granary?
# Loqi granary is the social web translator https://indieweb.org/granary
# [jgmac1106] so that is all I do, I have HTML + microformats and then I get a link to a feed that granary makes for me
# [jgmac1106] for example: <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://granary.io/url?input=html&output=rss&url=https%3A%2F%2Fjgregorymcverry.com%2Fmypoetry%23featuredpoems" title="Featured Poems"> this way I don't even have to worry about making an XML file for RSS
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# tinfoil-hat I'm gonna start again tomorrow with a fresh mind, it's a private project so theres no time limit. I am awake quite some time now
# tinfoil-hat [jgmac1106]: thank you for your help!
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@marinintim ↩️ Привет! Несколько мыслей:
а) самое сложное не технологии, а, собственно, создание и культивирование хорошего сообщества;
б) из кирпичиков есть PuSH, Webmention (для уведомлений), OAuth (логин на другой сайт), спеки важнее реализаций;
в) проблема _identity в целом_ нерешаема (twitter.com/_/status/1265318716432175104)
# marinin[m] ah yeah
# marinin[m] are tweets in russian about indieweb-related things annoying?
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# [schmarty] marinin: they seem like a good thing to me!
# [schmarty] having trouble saying the same about this CSS Tricks post on microdata and JSON-LD for SEO in 2020. https://css-tricks.com/using-structured-data-to-enhance-search-engine-optimization/
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# [jgmac1106] its the security certificate, not from one of 12 approved providers...one sec on the wiki
# [jgmac1106] This feed uses the SSL certificate authority “Google Trust Services”, which is not compatible with iTunes., further above on the wiki it says just give them an http
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# [jgmac1106] I did not try that, what happens if I try to validate http...will give it a whirl soon
# [jgmac1106] I do want to learn more about what schmarty is doing with enclosures
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[prtksxna] [schmarty] What do you mean about the CSS tricks article?
# [schmarty] It didn't feel like a good thing to me 😂
# [schmarty] prtksxna: the CSS Tricks article frustrates me because it is breathing new oxygen into some (in my opinion) very tired rhetoric around how important it is to appease search engines.
# [LewisCowles] schmarty++
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# [prtksxna] [schmarty] Oh man! I think I am quite deep in that rhetoric myself. Just realized it when you pointed it out!
# [prtksxna] Get me out of here!
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[KevinMarks] @*marinin[m]* - tweets in russian about indieweb things are exciting
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[tantek] Yeah! If someone here understands Russian, it'd be great to start a Russian translation to capture the context of those tweets on the wiki: https://indieweb.org/#Translations
# marinin[m] probably should start a wiki translation, for sure.
# [LewisCowles] I don't know Russian, but Google translate seemed remarkably cogent
# [LewisCowles] Hello! A few thoughts:
# [LewisCowles] a) the most difficult thing is not technology, but, in fact, the creation and cultivation of a good community;
# [LewisCowles] b) of the bricks there are PuSH, Webmention (for notifications), OAuth (login to another site), specs are more important than implementations;
# [LewisCowles] c) the problem of _identity as a whole_ is unsolvable
# [LewisCowles] that is the google translation of the tweet
# [LewisCowles] Interestingly, the URL translation feature does not work, which is frustrating as heck
# marinin[m] yeah, the bricks should be "building blocks", otherwise it is what I wrote
# [LewisCowles] Sorry Marinin I missed that
# [LewisCowles] marinin[m]++
# [tantek] wow the state of JS dev: http://lea.verou.me/2020/05/todays-javascript-from-an-outsiders-perspective/ (note the author, look her up if you're not familiar with the name)
# marinin[m] :)
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# [LewisCowles] Lea's post was what I blogged about
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@jackyalcine I need to fix my Webmentions. And once I do, I’ll go back to https://lighthouse.black.af; port the code over and move my site to lean on that instead of doing it internally so I can iterate faster, lol. (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/d0dfa4b6-2f5b-4fae-b18e-86e844279484) (twitter.com/_/status/1265377471173623808)
# [LewisCowles] I'm not doubting Lea's expertise. I call her an expert and focused more on the pain of trying something, having it not work. It's more that, I might have looked at the source to see "Oh this has types" and then realised. The author of this has done something to upset me. Not everyone who uses JS, uses TypeScript or transpiles every single thing they touch. It's a broad brush, that we wouldn't accept if the ecosystem was "French speakers"
# [LewisCowles] or other groups of communicators
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# [LewisCowles] India has OpenSourced it's contact tracing app for this crisis. https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/26/aarogya-setu-india-source-code-release/
# [LewisCowles] I wonder if any part of this could be used for conferences or less serious use-cases, using Bluetooth LE to exchange information with people at workshops etc. The BluetoothLE portion is de-centralised device-to-device, which is cool
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[chrisaldrich] I'm curious if there's a product that will take an incoming feed and proxy a page with microformats and then force send a webmention? Something along the lines of Granary + Brid.gy?
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# [KevinMarks] The UK one is open source too
# [chrisaldrich] This could be useful for silos/services like Hypothes.is that don't support wembntion/microformats yet, but which do have usable RSS Feeds for comment-like functionality...
# [chrisaldrich] Of course this may just be reimagining a lot of what bridgy already does anyway....
# [chrisaldrich] As an example, I can get a feed of annotations on almost any web page/site using a URL like https://hypothes.is/stream.rss?wildcard_uri=https://boffosocko.com/* I just need a way to add microformats and push Webmentions out the other end...
# [KevinMarks] You could maybe make that with unmung, but that will be a page for the whole feed, not a post
# [snarfed] sounds like the inverse of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/420
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# [chrisaldrich] and doesn't granary already do that conversion?
# [chrisaldrich] thanks kevinmarks, it's pretty close though it doesn't find author information since it isn't well marked up.. maybe the Atom version is a bit better? http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=https://hypothes.is/stream.atom?wildcard_uri=https://boffosocko.com/*
# [chrisaldrich] I was actually pulling up unmung after I posted my question an yours about the UK open source appeared. kevinmarks++
# [chrisaldrich] Something like this at least lowers the bar for silo services that still support older feed types....
# [chrisaldrich] This also reminds me that I've wanted a tool that would allow me to self-send webmentions to a particular post on my site that would forgo the check of my URL on the "sending" site, so that I could collect mentions of my content that didn't necessarily have my URL linked, but were obviously relevant.
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# [schmarty] chrisaldrich i've been thinking about something similar to this for backfeed from a silo where i don't wanna build a whole brid.gy-like thing 😄
# [chrisaldrich] Then standalone annotations like https://hypothes.is/a/OF9PKJYPEeqxPQftviLfcQ which has neither microformats or my URL, but which is obviously about a particular post could be backfed to my site.
# [chrisaldrich] [schmarty] have you sketched out an implementation?
# [schmarty] chrisaldrich: nay! i just realized i need / want it this weekend while migrating my thingiverse content to my site.
# [schmarty] me: "i should capture when folks made copies or derivatives of my things as webmentions!" devil on shoulder: "just write a script to stuff them into your webmention store!" angel on shoulder: "you should do it right with brid.gy-backfeed-like proxy pages!" me: 😵
# [snarfed] [chrisaldrich] https://snarfed.org/backfeed-without-code ? 😎
# [chrisaldrich] snarfed I was thinking about that as an option too.... in fact, I'd re-read that over the weekend...
# [chrisaldrich] [schmarty] yes... essentially a bookmarklet that instead of posting a bookmark on my site would create a comment on the mentioned post...