#dev 2020-05-25

2020-05-25 UTC
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jacky
from #indieweb, I'm still working on my page resolution thing
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jacky
namely I'm adding support for things like last.fm and trakt so I can then wire up a way for me to review shows from my site
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GWG
jacky: Fun
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[tantek]
jacky++ nice! Looking forward to seeing your workflow for that!
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Loqi
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@freshyill
↩️ Thanks to @elgreg, I can also see that my Webmentions are fully functional once again!
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@webrocker
↩️ I had like 5 legit comments on my blog last year. I have enabled web notifications and am listening to mentions on twitter via http://brid.gy - most of the 'reactions' displayed are coming from this. I think first spam and then twitter/fb killed the blog comment culture
(twitter.com/_/status/1264803614515658752)
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@AndreJaenisch
↩️ Same. My blog is built with Eleventy. I also have http://webmention.io integrated. So adding microformats2 to your markup and making a POST call to an endpoint would allow you to comment on it. I don't render it yet, though. Using bridgy by @schnarfed collects tweets, too.
(twitter.com/_/status/1264810108313272322)
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@AndreJaenisch
↩️ Take a look at https://brid.gy/ for integrating reactions (likes, reblogs, tweets, comments etc.) You can also point to https://webmention.io/ for handling Webmentions. Those are kind of pingbacks you know about from WordPress. Explained in https://indieweb.org/Webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/1264813657814380544)
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@AndreJaenisch
↩️ Take a look at https://brid.gy/ for integrating reactions (likes, reblogs, tweets, comments etc.) You can also point to https://webmention.io/ for handling Webmentions. Those are kind of pingbacks you know about from WordPress. Explained in https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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vika_nezrimaya
swentel: about Companion: I'm not working on it that much but I plan on returning to it, since I need to code the reply button... but it's at least usable to keep up with latest posts!
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vika_nezrimaya
The read-unread tracking isn't there though since I'm not sure how to code it
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vika_nezrimaya
RecyclerView makes it tricky, but the app is hella fast
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vika_nezrimaya
Also I need to finish the posting UI since I can't add tags and edit syndication targets
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swentel
yeah, unread tracking was tricky to get right, many variations in indigenous
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vika_nezrimaya
also I need to make TextViews display pictures in HTML, currently they're showing up as placeholder small quares
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vika_nezrimaya
there's a lot of work to do
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vika_nezrimaya
and the most important thing: Share button in Custom Chrome Tabs, since I'm gonna be using it a lot. Will probably invoke the sharesheet, from which one can send an article to another app on repost it on their site
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vika_nezrimaya
This is literally the most important thing there because I'm using Kittybox Companion to keep up with a certain Russian newspaper (that posts a lot of great stuff instead of retellings) and send some articles to my mom
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vika_nezrimaya
And copying the URL is hard, but... #manualuntilithurts
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@MarcoInEnglish
↩️ I know what WebMentions are, and I know bridgy, but I haven't yet heard about http://webmention.io yet.
(twitter.com/_/status/1264814796429496323)
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vika_nezrimaya
I just love the designs of my app and the fact that it has a dark theme
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vika_nezrimaya
swentel: does Indigenous have a dark theme? it's a killer feature in 2020 :3
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dansup
Will be shipping Instagram Import for Pixelfed this week! https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/104227828422101618
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Loqi
[pixelfed 🚀] DMs, Circles, Instagram Import, MicroUI & S3 Support have been in development for a while.They will ship as beta features this week on supported instances!#pixelfed https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/029/068/557/original/6b730ffee5e6314f.png
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swentel
vika_nezrimaya, yeps
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swentel
dansup, cool
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swentel
dansup, will be investigating the author calls (so bridgy fed can work with pixelfed) in the coming weeks (thanks to the grant of NlNet)
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dansup
you got a NLnet grant too?
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dansup
that makes my day, I'm on my second one and it has changed my life. Working full time on Pixelfed has really made a difference in the fedi
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swentel
dansup, yep, can work on indigenous for iOS, bit on drupal indieweb, and then I can work on indigenous ios/android activipub integration, and work on general AP stuff which helps connecting networks
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swentel
it's a dream come true :)
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swentel
dansup, will ping you (rather in pixelfed channel) once I have a pull request, will be adding tests for it as well, so it should at least all keep working :)
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swentel
will start mid june somewhere, need to finish some work stuff first hehe
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dansup
thats awesome, let me know if I can help! I'm working on a tool for AP devs called FediDB, maybe it can help you https://fedidb.org/
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swentel
oh interesting, will check it out
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swentel
cool, thanks! will probably be helpful for the indieweb AP module too :)
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@erikkroes
↩️ It somehow feels more open when you can comment. I've got webmentions on my own blog
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beko
dansup++
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Loqi
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beko
swentel++
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Loqi
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beko
jacky: Taking a look at Lighthouse. After login I see failed wss connection due to HTTP 400 and loading never comes back. That's all I know. Is this supposed to do more at this point?
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[jgmac1106]
petermolnar following your rebuilding of gallery pages closely, I am a few months behind (like to December and holiday concerts) on my img posts
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@aswath
↩️ In the HTML5 universe, URL can be one's id which can be auth using indieauth while reputation can be backed by any number of agencies with the second party picking the one they are comfortable
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[schmarty]
Here's something I've been stewing on that I may want to make bandwidth to work on but could use some feedback
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[schmarty]
lol I am having trouble writing it succinctly
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sknebel
then write a non-succint post about it? :D
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[schmarty]
sknebel: I am not quiiite ready to commit to a post yet 😅
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[schmarty]
I am thinking about the ambiguity behind statements like "my site supports micropub" when it comes to vocabulary, data types, etc.
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[schmarty]
I think it should be possible, and maybe even a good experience, to have a micropub client work iteratively with your site to "work around" properties that your micropub endpoint doesn't support.
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[grantcodes]
Eddie and I discussed something like that a long time ago
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[grantcodes]
Sounds a lot like https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/8 - at least from your succinct version 😜
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Loqi
[dshanske] #8 Query for Supported Properties
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[schmarty]
My basic thinking on it is that a micropub endpoint might not handle a property, or might not handle it "well", if the definition of "well" changes. The result being missing or incomplete info on the published post.
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swentel
hmm yeah, I've been stalling on implementing that in Indigenous too hehe
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[schmarty]
grantcodes: yeah! This discussion was interesting but I think it leaves the human out of the loop too much. Also I might change what I think "supports" means later and feel like my micropub endpoint is now doing it wrong.
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[schmarty]
So as a micropub client creator you probably have a sense for what you expect to see in a published post.
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[schmarty]
What if the client parsed your post after the fact and looked for missing info
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[schmarty]
And would offer to work around a micropub endpoint or site template that isn't handling some property well by pushing it into the content and pre-marked-up mf2 html?
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[grantcodes]
I thought the current (maybe not great) way to do that was for any client that sends experimental data that may not work to also send a plain text version as a summary
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[schmarty]
I think I should have taken sknebel's advice and made a post about this first 😂
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sknebel
[schmarty]: I know why I have a hacky way of excluding draft-y posts from my main feed
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[schmarty]
Plain text might work for some things, but I am imagining features with links and media, too
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[schmarty]
As an example, when micropub-based photo posting app /Sunlit rolled out, it sent images not as photo properties, but as img elements in the content
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[schmarty]
(it still might?)
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jacky
beko: not yet (at least, not the prod instance)
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jacky
I really should hide it until I'm done with the MVP
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beko
jacky: no worries. I was just curious after stumbling over an article of yours.
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jacky
beko: what was the problem you saw?
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jacky
I see that you logged in (but I don't see anything beyond that tbh, I need to work on my logging)
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@ChrisAldrich
↩️ I like your ideas here and there are many of us who have been discussing it in various nooks of the internet over the past couple of years. It’s a movement and a discussion that has been slowly brewing, but seems to be coming to a boil. [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2020/05/24/reply-to-webmentions-and-campfires-by-kevin-cunningham/
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sknebel
there's services that collect links for music to various sources (i.e. YT/Spotify/... links). Anyone link to one of those from their site/otherwise have a favorite?
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jacky
ooh i need that
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[schmarty]
welp. a negative result is still a result, right? tried out a possible way of improving the UX for web sign-in using the autocomplete attribute: https://martymcgui.re/2020/05/25/a-hole-in-browser-autofill-support/
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jacky
[schmarty]: that's annoying :(
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jacky
I wonder if there's a way to prime that field
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beko
jacky: I see endless spinner (loading) and in debugger Can not connect to server wss://lighthouse.black.af/live/websocket?_csrf_token=foo (400). I assume you have no websocket running for secure ws?
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jacky
hmmmm
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beko
ah wait.. tis is FF again.
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beko
nope, disabling that new privacy stuff didn't help. Sorry :)
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jacky
yeah I'm able to repro it here
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jacky
I think I might be a bit aggressive with the settings there
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jacky
beko++ for catching this
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Loqi
beko has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (10 in all channels)
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jacky
for some reason that's not being caught by sentry
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beko
Catched nothing xD Just clicked around having no idea xD
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vilhalmer
^ this is 80% of qa
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beko
QA? One day… one day a project with proper QA… usually it's just "it compiles, let's ship"
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vilhalmer
I do my best to prevent that :)
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beko
Talking about my own work now ;)
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jacky
lol yeah
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jacky
going to up the logging for ws
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jacky
I think I know what it's busted
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jacky
yup - I see it
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jacky
not going to fix it right now
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sknebel
to update from above, after looking at a few examples it seems all those services actually offer that as a service to the artist so they get a url they can share with links to all the different places you find their music, not as a general lookup service. (for movies/shows that kind of thing exists, but I guess its more about finding it at all, not in the favorite service)
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sknebel
but still an interesting question where to link for music where I can't just link a file
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beko
sknebel: tricky. I have the same problem with books. Usually I seek out the writers website but it's not that simple. craigalanson·com for example has a whole manifest of "Terms and Conditions" about linking to it that I won't even bother trying to understand it at all. Same for terrypratchettbooks·com - and I dislike to link to yet another silo tracking the **** out of users (or will probably do so
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beko
some year later when funds run dry)
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beko
Wikipedia is usually a save bet .)
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sknebel
wikipedia also has those ISBN special pages one can at least use for books that have an ISBN to link to all kinds of places, including library catalogs
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beko
true
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Loqi
[dshanske] #3 Support Alternative Location Sources
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aaronpk
Not yet
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