#dev 2020-06-13

2020-06-13 UTC
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gRegorLove jsonfeed now fixed, looks good in the Monocle preview
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aaronpk nice
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[tantek] Hmmm. Should consider renaming repo “master” branches to “main” https://twitter.com/mleibovic/status/1271625826237366273
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@mleibovic Today our engineering team did an audit of all git repos and started renaming any master branches to main. Embarassed we didn't make this move earlier, but proud of how quickly the team took action to fix this (with zero debate) once it was raised. (twitter.com/_/status/1271625826237366273)
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aaronpk it's on my list
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aaronpk i'm a little overwhelmed at how many git repos i have
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aaronpk i never understood "master" anyway
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KartikPrabhu eh! why is "main" better than "master" ?
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KartikPrabhu oh! is it the "master/slave" issue?
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aaronpk cause it’s descriptive
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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aaronpk when i was first learning git i was like what is this master thing
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aaronpk master of what?
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KartikPrabhu of the universe? ;)
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vilhalmer honestly I kinda feel like it would be best for everyone to pick their own name to make it more obvious to newcomers there's nothing magic
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[tantek] Same. “master” in git never made sense to me
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aaronpk vilhalmer: omg yes, i feel like that would have sped up my learning of git a lot
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vilhalmer it suffers from the classic "is this an example or important" syndrome
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aaronpk that is a good anti pattern to document
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vilhalmer like when people name arbitrary things the same as some command or other file
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aaronpk it happens a lot in specs too
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vilhalmer I see this in readmes all the time
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vilhalmer especially in docs anything arbitrary should be named something so ridiculous that it can't possibly be part of the tool
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vilhalmer and/or called out
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vilhalmer KartikPrabhu: new core branch: grayskull
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gRegorLove I first thought of it as the master copy, a la audio mastering, so it made sense to me. In favor of renaming it, though.
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KartikPrabhu all this sounds similar to how I have never understood "foo/bar/baz" stuff
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aaronpk gRegorLove: if everyone used it that way I could see that, but it turns out there are different ways of using git yet the default branch is still called master
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gRegorLove Totally, just mentioning why it wasn't confusing to me initially
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gRegorLove <- weird user, not average XD
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vilhalmer git suffers from being too flexible
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aaronpk relatedly, i saw this same discussion happening in the audio sphere
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aaronpk the “master/slaver” terminology is also used in audio engineering workflows
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aaronpk lol autocorrect?
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gRegorLove We're setting up a git repo in a client's Azure DevOps so I set up branches production and dev
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aaronpk See that's a lot clearer
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@bixtweets ↩️ I’ve unapproved all webmentions until I can suss this out. shit started appearing in the wrong places. (twitter.com/_/status/1271657836636848128)
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jacky having a separate endpoint to handle sending endpoints from receiving is a little confusing in retrospect
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jacky I didn't want Lighthouse's endpoint to be super intelligent and be like "oh this source looks familiar, lemme send it out instead of receiving"
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jacky but this is probably why you have telegraph and webmention as two separate things, aaronpk
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aaronpk I wouldn't give myself that much credit
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aaronpk But yeah sending and receiving webmentions are pretty different tasks. If anything id go with the way pine.blog did and make receiving webmentions part of a reader
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aaronpk webmention is just plumbing, receiving comments and sending comments are the user facing features and it turns out they have very different considerations even tho they both use webmention
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jacky right re: plumbing
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jacky but I also understand that bit w.r.t receiving comments; I wonder if allowing a reader to add a hook to listen to incoming Webmentions could give that same feel / vibe
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jacky _or_ allowing a particular feed to be flagged as the "incoming" one so the reader would know to take and handle entries of that feed according
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jacky that said, I'm like 70% done with this move to lighthouse. might mess around with it against the staging instance before sending it live (trying to keep the dev-staging-prod habit down even if it's only me testing it)
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jacky side-note: it's kinda terrifying how much information JWTs can hold
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jacky I'm using https://jwt.io to debug them and like I _understand_ why people would use them; just too much
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jacky hmmmmm tbh now I'm curious about what you mentioned aaronpk re: pine.blog accepting Webmentions
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jacky because then I can just add a compatible reader as a relay whenever I get a webmention in lighthouse and I'll get that interactivity for free
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jacky versus making a custom endpoint
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jacky if someone _really_ needs an endpoint, they can shim out the act of making a webmention endpoint tbh
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jacky I'll handle that when I get to it
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jacky all I need now is an API so people can get webmentions and they'll be okay
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@bixtweets WordPress people: is there no way in wp_list_comments() to have multiple types in the type= argument? As near as I can tell, by default it accepts all, comment, pingback, trackback, and pings; and with the Webmention plugin installed it also accepts ... https://bix.blog/2020/06/12/wordpress-people-is.html (twitter.com/_/status/1271691752529973248)
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jacky woah
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[LewisCowles] [aaronpk] [jacky] (and anyone else using / running their own) RE: short links
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[LewisCowles] Could some of this be added to the wiki?
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[LewisCowles] Is the desire to provide them one to save typing, get analytics about link-usage or something else. I don't like the extra hop, so I try to think of the reasons why anyone wants to use a shortener. To my strange brain it's another potential point of failure between me and the resource I am linking to.
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jacky what are shortlinks
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Loqi shortlink is the use of a short-domain to create a link that redirects to (often much) longer link, popularized on Twitter, and used in permashortlinks for indieweb POSSEing https://indieweb.org/shortlinks
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jacky I don't use short-links tbh
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jacky I use vanity URLs for some things (like my youtube or twitch pages) but that's about it
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[LewisCowles] the wiki may need gardening. shortlinks links to permashortlinks which has more detail, but does not cover this
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jacky what are shortlinks
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Loqi shortlink is the use of a short-domain to create a link that redirects to (often much) longer link, popularized on Twitter, and used in permashortlinks for indieweb POSSEing https://indieweb.org/shortlinks
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jacky oh I just did thatl ol
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jacky wow there's a whole page on short domains
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jacky what are short domains
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Loqi short domains are commonly used on the IndieWeb for personal URL shortening, or clever domain hacks https://indieweb.org/short-domains
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jacky tbh everything on permashortlinks could be linked from a region on short domains
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nekr0z Oh no, now there's something wrong with git master branches? Do we stop mastering audio, too? Do I give up my master's degree? Do I burn my The Beatles "Past Masters" set? Do I stop using MasterCard while I'm at it?
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jacky nekr0z: did you read into the material/content around it or are you just reacting for the sake of it?
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jacky https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-06-13/1592014551694100
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Loqi [[tantek]] Hmmm. Should consider renaming repo “master” branches to “main” https://twitter.com/mleibovic/status/1271625826237366273
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jacky https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-06-12/1591966846808400
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Loqi [jeremycherfas] Very interesting discussion in https://www.hanselman.com/blog/EasilyRenameYourGitDefaultBranchFromMasterToMain.aspx of the use of "master" in a git repo. To the objection that it doesn't actually mean the same as in masster-slave, several people have...
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jacky language matters _a lot_
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nekr0z jacky: I did. And git master branch is exactly the same as audio master tape - the master branch. There's no other way to call it. It is created by default when you git init and git commit to an empty repo (so no, it's not the matter of "blatantly copying some age-old tutorial"
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jacky you're saying there's no other way to call it but as others have shown online; there's _many_ ways
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jacky I tend to use names like `mainline` or `production` when I remember to rename things
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nekr0z Language matters, but sanity and common sense matter, too. We went through the stupidity of renaming everything because it didn't sound right and reminded of past oppressions twice last century in Russia, and it was stupid both times.
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jacky so it's "common sense" to stick to main?
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jacky also people who work on tools around Git managed to make such a change and it seems like it's very low effort too
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jacky https://twitter.com/lgarron/status/1271212268294823938
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@lgarron Our team at @GitHub just changed our project's main branch to `main`! We're not the only ones, and there's growing momentum to change the default across the company. 😱 It's no defunding the police, but it's nice to see progress against such entrenched practices. (twitter.com/_/status/1271212268294823938)
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jacky it's just a branch name
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nekr0z I'm totally with you if it makes sense for you to have "prod" instead of "master", but spending time thinking what to rename master to just because you shouldn't have master?
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jacky there's also very smart people who've highlighted that it's in fact not common sense to use "master"; that's more cargo culting than anything else
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jacky https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html#rfc.section.1.1.1
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jacky namely the first paragraph of https://www.hanselman.com/blog/EasilyRenameYourGitDefaultBranchFromMasterToMain.aspx
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jacky at this point, it reads a bit more of a resistance to what the community is moving to and more about wanting to stick to provably oppressive language
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jacky this isn't really dev-y so I won't continue on that here
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nekr0z Yeah, I remember reading that some time ago and thinking that in a sane society the metaphor should long be gone and little childred should know "master-slave" from tech, only later getting the historical meanng from history classes.
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nekr0z But then someone told me I should not be using the word "sane" either.
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[LewisCowles] jacky++ mainline++
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Loqi mainline has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi jacky has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (91 in all channels)
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jacky still has to go and rename a few repos
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jacky hasn't been top priority yet
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[tantek] same. main++
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Loqi main has 1 karma over the last year
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[LewisCowles] I would like git + github to also have some setting to allow people to elect the name of their primary branch
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[LewisCowles] I don't know which name I'd pick, but I'm happy to have less of that language
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jacky I want something like embedly but powered by like xray
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jacky I keep thinking about this and I don't know if it's something that needs to be client-side (it can fall-back to being a h-cite)
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[KevinMarks] I made some h-card hovercards with unmung but they're a bit crap
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[KevinMarks] You can see them on http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcamplondon2020.html
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KartikPrabhu I had made a little demo too https://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/simple-hovercard.html
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Loqi Kyle Mahan
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[jgmac1106] anyone have a good tool idea for converting html to wikimedia mark up? I want to put all my courses on wikiversity but write them in HTML
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[KevinMarks] You can put some html in
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@neuralmarket A quick ask from my Tweeple. I'm testing webmentions on my site and I need a few people to 'like' this post below so I can see if it's working right. I swear I'm not 'like whoring,' it's for debugging! Thanks https://www.neuralmarkettrends.com/blog/responsive-images-hugo/ (twitter.com/_/status/1271779823577415681)
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@neuralmarket ↩️ Ok, it works @PavelPscheidl! Webmention has been successfully sent, now I need to CSS it so it shows up correctly on the blog. Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/1271782146353610757)
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[jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] yeah on my personal wiki most of it is just html rather than rewrite something
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[schmarty] jacky++ whew very good responses about main++
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Loqi jacky has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (93 in all channels)
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Loqi main has 2 karma over the last year
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[Murray] Interesting to log in and see people discussing master/main/others. Just changed my main site to "trunk", largely to see how hard it would be (I chose "trunk" because it fits the "branch" metaphor and was what originally made sense when I was learning Git). Turns out (for me at least) it was super easy, so will just go with that from now on
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[Murray] Do wish that I could set git init to something other than master though too
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[Murray] jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (94 in all channels)
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jacky https://stackoverflow.com/a/50880622/602588
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jacky that's what I used locally
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jacky someone wrote a script to do this for GitHub repos as well https://gist.github.com/PurpleBooth/6983e5c4def4f8721d4a697a3f4606a7
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@adactio ↩️ I’m getting an error when I try to send a webmention to that URL from https://adactio.com/links/17004 > Internal Server Error > Undefined index: photo https://adactio.com/notes/17007 (twitter.com/_/status/1271822627502424064)
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willnorris [Murray]: instructions for having `git init` use a different default branch name at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42871542. For me, it was as simple as https://github.com/willnorris/dotfiles/commit/ad6289135ef749e05c396f8985bc5192fd5518cb
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aaronpk oh that's great
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aaronpk maybe this is a good saturday morning project
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[tantek] really hope GitHub makes this a one button click for repo owners rather than requiring everyone to do all this command line businesses
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Zegnat I think in GitHub you could do it completely through their UI. Haven’t created a fresh repo in a while, not sure if they just default a branch or not
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Zegnat Oh, interesting, GitHub repos created through the site actually start branchless
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Zegnat And the first branch you push will be the one displayed in your repo by default, even if you were to push a branch called “master” directly after.
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Zegnat So looks like GitHub is pretty name agnostic. They could change some of their git commandline instructions around and it’ll be gone from their platform
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aaronpk they do have a way to create repo contents on the web, like if you use the button to create a README file. what happens then?
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Zegnat Ah, didn’t test that one, lets see
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Zegnat Initialised with just a default licence file: creates a master branch
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Zegnat As in a branch called master
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willnorris it looks like the above link I referenced causes some problems when cloning. Apparent git template is not just used when calling `git init` but also `git clone`. Maybe? Anyway, I'd suggest testing it pretty well if you make that change
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[Murray] willnorris++ thanks will take a look over and keep the potential issues in mind
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aaronpk I thought git's use of "master" was more like the general concept of master not like the database world of master/slave, but it looks like its origins were actually master/slave after all https://twitter.com/ben_a_adams/status/1271471019971293184
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@ben_a_adams @rianfinnegan @shanselman Git was made to replace bitkeeper; so I assume that's where "master" comes from and yes it comes from "master and slave repository" https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/doc/HOWTO.ask#L231-L232 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaUr2J3XsAAZO3I.png (twitter.com/_/status/1271471019971293184)
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aaronpk here we go
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aaronpk 1 down, 236 to go
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aaronpk i feel like there are some nuances to this
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aaronpk i'm trying to script as much as possible but it's tricky
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aaronpk for example, this bumps the repositories to the top of the list on my github profile, so i should actually do them starting with the oldest otherwise my old repos will be on top
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aaronpk might as well take this opportunity to delete some real old ones too
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aaronpk RIP delicious https://github.com/aaronpk/Wordpress-Delicious-XML-Importer
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Loqi [aaronpk] Wordpress-Delicious-XML-Importer: Import your Delicious.com XML export into Wordpress custom post types
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aaronpk i don't think there's any value in this repo anymore
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aaronpk bets on whether github launches a feature to rename branches from the website soon?
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vilhalmer hmmmm
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vilhalmer it'd be cool if they somehow shimmed it so old remote specs still work but you got a message from the server reminding you to update it
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aaronpk oh yeah they could totally do that
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aaronpk like how they handle renamed repos
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vilhalmer yep
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aaronpk wonder if i should hold off on doing all of these in case they make it super easy soon
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aaronpk is on a github repo deleting spree
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aaronpk some of these are legit 10 years old
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aaronpk wow 4 years ago i shut down the first version of monocle https://aaronparecki.com/2016/04/26/3/monocle
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Monocle is Offline
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@m_ott ↩️ Hey Jeremy! Just fixed a bug in my Webmention plugin. It didn’t check correctly if a photo is present in the h-card. After fixing this, I was able to add the Webmention using the little form at the bottom of the article. (twitter.com/_/status/1271928989783916545)
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aaronpk well i only have 157 repos on my github now
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aaronpk um how have i been doing this for 3 hours
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aaronpk we're gonna call this a "spring cleaning" of my github account
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aaronpk down to 137 repos, started at 237
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