#dev 2020-06-15

2020-06-15 UTC
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GWG I just spent some time cleaning HTML.
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@jjdelc Cool! My blog now sends me daily email reports of #webmention activity! #indieweb #python #code #coderlife https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-040759/ (twitter.com/_/status/1272380317316374528)
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[dmitshur] This has taken me far too many weekends, https://github.com/shurcooL/home/pull/41, but it’s finally done and I can move on to doing something else next time! Wheee \o/
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Loqi [dmitshur] #41 combine issuesapp, changesapp, and notifsapp into a single-page application
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petermolnar regex gurus: is there a way to write a pattern that has minimum occurence of non-capturing groups? eg. (?:/page/){,2} ?
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petermolnar I'm receiving a disturbing amount of /page/57/page/57/page/57/page/9/.... requests and I want to filter them out
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[LewisCowles] oh, if you put a + in front of that what you have, it should match 2 or more
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[LewisCowles] https://regexr.com/56nb7
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@bixtweets WordPress function or plugin that makes webmentions considered pings for the purposes of wp_list_comments('type=pings')? (twitter.com/_/status/1272436869222064129)
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[LewisCowles] btw the + didn't work. But altering the position of the 2 and the comma did
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jacky I've been hunting down the things people tend to have problems with the most with Webmentions
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jacky and it's usually verifying that their site can receive them, insuring that their site is sending them and having a way to retry them when they fail
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jacky right now, I can't even give good visibility into any of that - only about the ones you've received
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jacky one thing I did want to experiment with is having a very dynamic feed that'd be similar to the kind of stuff you'd see in the Notification Center on macOS - a feed of action items (you've been mentioned 10 times in one post and in another "your note 'lorem ipsum' has 4 new replies" post) that would disappear once they've been engaged with
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jacky the only issue is that 1) implementing a form to 'dismiss' these things isn't something I'd want to send; that'd force clients to use HTML rendering
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[LewisCowles] indiewebify.me has some of these things managed doesn't it?
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[LewisCowles] not the gamification, although achievements / badges are probably covered elsewhere
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jacky IIRC there isn't any sort of badging
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jacky but it _looks_ like it sends webmentions? nothing visible happens tho
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jacky https://indiewebify.me/send-webmentions/
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jacky granted it was discussed that indiewebify.me is more of a high-level developer tool
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jacky I don't know what that pages does tbh
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[LewisCowles] For me it was helpful to confirm I had some things like rel="me", webmention receive endpoint and authorship
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sknebel did we see this before? https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/h8tlwg/hosting_your_own_webmention_backend/
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[jgmac1106] say I send an RSVP webmention to an h-event, could I get an automated webmention back that says, "Thank you for registering, in order for your RSVP to be accepted and displayed you must agree to the CoC" and then replying to the reply triggers the display..soo many steps...hard ux...
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[jgmac1106] just thinking out lout
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I realized I am not available for @IndieWebCamp West this year so I will not be facilitating session, happy to do a pop up session on webmentions, badges, and gamification some time. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/6OBnq) (twitter.com/_/status/1272509686164721664)
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@jgmac1106 Thinking about some of tools we use in #IndieWeb community like indiewebifyme https://indiewebify.me/ and how stuff like webmentions could be used as tool to drive engagement by also encouraging participants to display buttons (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/181K4H) (twitter.com/_/status/1272511576281661442)
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[KevinMarks] [jacky] that sounds like what webmention.rocks does - you mean a user oriented version of that rather than an implementation oriented one?
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[manton] Like some other folks here I've been playing with Quotebacks and wanted to explore using it for microblog posts. I wrote up a blog post about how this works in Micro.blog: https://www.manton.org/2020/06/15/embedding-microblog-posts.html
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Loqi Embedding microblog posts with Quotebacks
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swentel hmm GWG do you maintain the IndieAuth plugin for wordpress
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GWG Correct
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GWG I need more approvers though. Why?
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swentel well, I might have found something annoying when generating a token yourself (via Manage IndieAuth tokens)
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aaronpk [manton]: that looks great!
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swentel it sets the 'me' value to the author url (e.g. https://domain/author/name)
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swentel and when you would use that token in a client (e.g. indigenous desktop) and want to try to connect with Aperture, it will fail because the 'me' will be different in Aperture
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swentel (at least, that's an educated guess)
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swentel it's related with https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-desktop/issues/45
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Loqi [stephenpieper] #45 Microsub Channels
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GWG It only does that if you don't configure it in settings
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GWG You have to declare what user reflects the root
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swentel aaronpk, could you check something for me? Can you check what 'url' value is stored for user 10 in Aperture?
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swentel GWG, aha
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swentel that might be a clue for that user
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GWG I may update the manual token page to emphasize it
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swentel is that the 'Set User to Represent Site URL ?' setting, doesn't seem to reflect that (even when generating a new token)
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GWG Yes, that's it
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swentel Ok I've set it none
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aaronpk swentel: https://stephenpieper.net/
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swentel but the me value is still set to ip/author/swentie
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swentel aaronpk, thanks!
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GWG If it is set to none, it will do /author/
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swentel ah
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swentel hmm
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swentel no change there
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GWG Can you open an issue, I'll investigate
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GWG I still have open PRs there too
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GWG Pfefferle and I are trying for a webmention push right now though
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swentel aah
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swentel found it
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swentel I didn't have a website in my profile
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swentel that fixes it
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swentel ok, thanks, me value is now my website url
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swentel no bug!
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swentel GWG++
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jacky !tell [KevinMarks] yeah; definitely more user orientated. But the more I think about it, most users don't NEED to know about Webmentions; they'd be more interesting in "comments" and reactions. I think visualizing that might be more useful for them
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@lobsters Indieweb pt2: Using Webmentions in Eleventy https://lobste.rs/s/qqwy71 #javascript #web https://mxb.dev/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/ (twitter.com/_/status/1272598611591716864)
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[tantek] jacky++ exactly. Thanks for reframing around comments & reactions rather than webmentions (for the user model).
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[tantek] There's a lot that can be improved in the UX lifecycle of comments & reactions
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[tantek] At a minimum, knowing if it was received, when it was "approved" (assuming there is moderation) and thus visible on the other post, and maybe even acknowledged as having been seen/read by the author of the post!
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[tantek] The FBM message sending/received status is a nice indicator that could be re-used
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[tantek] txts/IMs are not that different (or at least shouldn't be in terms of ease of UX) from comments
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[tantek] "[confirm] their site [app]] is sending [delivering] them and having a way to retry them when they fail" <-- Jacky, this is exactly what iMessage, FBM etc. have UX for!
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jacky I think the minimum might be receiving (we can't confirm this because it's not universally done and could be slower for static sites!)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ here's a how to: https://mxb.dev/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ https://mxb.dev/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/ (twitter.com/_/status/1272609101550440448)
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jacky like for my site; things would take up half a minute to appear (I added a max processing count because one time my site tried to re-process all 10,000 of my incoming webmentions at once >_<)
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jacky but I think that if you indicate that your site can show them in (near-) real time and that a uniform approach to status checking of incoming Webmentions come to be than we can do something!
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jacky the last bit is something I have tasked out (returning a status URL that with a bit of content negotiation) will tell people if the incoming Webmention is available for general visibility (which in turn can then be used to check the target page)
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jacky versus me constantly polling one's post
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Spam from twitter? We haven't had much native webmention spam, though we have been looking out for it. (twitter.com/_/status/1272610737874178054)
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jacky ^ you're more likely to get a troll than spam nowadays
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[tantek] true
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@fluffy ↩️ You could always receive webmentions and not display them. There are several sites which do that to gauge reactions around the web without making those reactions public. (twitter.com/_/status/1272642058461655040)
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@jjdelc ↩️ I'm piggy backing on https://brid.gy/ which does all the heavy lifting. I implement a #webmention endpoint on my blog engine and the rest is just storing them in SQlite and sending an email with a cronjob #indieweb https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-220838/ (twitter.com/_/status/1272652264340103171)
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@jjdelc ↩️ I'm piggy backing on https://brid.gy/ which does all the heavy lifting. I implement a #webmention endpoint on my blog engine and the rest is just storing them in SQlite and sending an email with a cronjob #indieweb https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-220838/ (twitter.com/_/status/1272652264340103171)
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[KevinMarks] 2 minimal blogging tools https://bearblog.dev/ https://collectednotes.com/
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androidpunk hello, im creating a website for my uncle ...but it gets messed in mobile view who can help me? https://licguzman.github.io/doctores/
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