#dev 2020-06-16

2020-06-16 UTC
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jacky aaronpk++ for using `toLocalTime` for date values in the browser
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Loqi aaronpk has 62 karma in this channel over the last year (226 in all channels)
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jacky one less JS library I'm using for stuff
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jacky I really forget how much stuff the browser has packed in lol
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aaronpk What'd I do lol
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jacky lol I noticed that in Monocle that you used Date.toLocaleString to render human readable strings
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jacky I used to use timeago.js to do that (but it'd also update it every second to make it "relatively active"
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aaronpk ahh yea
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jacky ha now I've introduced a very interesting bug into Koype
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jacky since I've externalized my webmention logic, I need to really leverage async status URLs (or some sort of callback flow) so I can make sure my syndication links are valid
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jacky otherwise my syndication links point to the status page
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jacky https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/383e02d5-658d-427f-bea0-515225fd03b0, for example, points to https://lighthouse.black.af/webmentions/sent/bd5ea9bc-7ab7-406f-8dee-b686390e939e
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Loqi [Jacky Alciné] That’s totally what a URL should start with. https://v2.jacky.wtf/media/image/entry%24383e02d5-658d-427f-bea0-515225fd03b0/Screenshot_20200615_195220.png?v=original
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jacky no bueno
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jacky oh that's so weird
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jacky I have the access logs open and I just saw Slack, Synapse and a few other things just poke the site
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jacky most interestingly is the lounge with user agents for facebook and twitter?
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aaronpk haha weird
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jacky Hm I think I might let Koype do Webmention-based syndication internally but I did want to lean on Lighthouse for that
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jacky does anyone have an approach to this that they like? like full abstraction/absolvement of webmentions from their site?
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[LewisCowles] UX peeve. "Update available. Click here to go to a website and download". TBH if you cannot be bothered to implement an updater STFU
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jacky tbh in the lands of Macs, that's getting harder if you don't accept their NWO
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jacky but def on linux with the rage of AppImages, it's annoying
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[LewisCowles] I guess with anything containerised (assumed, I actually won't use appimages or snaps), it should just be a matter of calling `{orchestrator} pull [newversion}` ?
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[LewisCowles] The specific ache this month has been virtualbox
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jacky it _should_ be
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jacky flatpaks are better at that (and they've gotten better at not using so much space by rebuilding the world)
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[LewisCowles] yeah it could be that I'm engaging in a counter-factual there
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[LewisCowles] but still, turn off auto-updates if they are not auto-installing
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[LewisCowles] or give an option in the installer, with clear communication if it's automatically doing something, or just turning software into nagware
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[LewisCowles] "A New release of {our software} has been released" every time you open up the software is awful
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ tier for subscribers. $5.00 a month get subdomain like http://myblog.mylocalnewspaper.com then people connect and share through webmentions. You sell the coupon newsletters for extra revenue to local biz, classifieds free (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1u4nZ8) (twitter.com/_/status/1272849331352207363)
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b3u Is there a way to set up webmentions in squarespace?
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petermolnar what is squarespace?
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Loqi Squarespace is a content hosting service (paid) that provides services such as blogging and domain hosting https://indieweb.org/Squarespace
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b3u I don't use it, but I want to know if others can.
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petermolnar there doesn't seem to be any documented ways of doing so
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petermolnar which doesn't mean it's impossible, just that nobody seem to have done it
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b3u I wonder if custom code would work. Thanks.
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[KevinMarks] can you embed external js in squarespace?
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b3u [KevinMarks] I think it's possible with the right plan.
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[LewisCowles] Sending marked up webmentions would I believe be the difficulty
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[LewisCowles] I don't think SquareSpace or Wix offers post form customization
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jacky yeah and tbh I don't think attempting to make those work are worthwhile
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[LewisCowles] 💯
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jacky but that requires us to either have better solutions or make it easy for them to eject
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@jackyalcine This is why I'm in favor of things like IndieAuth. Ideally, you'd have some sort of URL that you can control and you can use that to get into places. URLs CAN be idempotent (but the industry is working to remove them [glares at Chrome/Google]) (twitter.com/_/status/1272953188069462016)
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jacky see I wasn't sure if that'd appear lol
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jacky didn't realize there was a monitor for that
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@steveivy There a LOT of error cases when writing a #webmention server implementation #indieweb #goldfrog (monkinetic txt-638a5d5) (twitter.com/_/status/1272981571818024960)
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b3u I'm bored, so obviously I need to add something to my site. 😉 Suggestions? https://binyam.in
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Loqi Binyamin Aron Green
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swentel cjw6k, hi!
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swentel I was wondering what exactly you mean with 'the client_id does not include a path component' ?
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swentel does it mean the client id I send should simply be https://indigenous.realize.be?
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swentel er https://indigenous.realize.be/ I mean
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swentel holy crap, I'm now reading the spec, kind of missed the path component
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jacky swentel: this bit me in the ass in the past lol
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jacky I have a method for fixing that and I run it against _any_ incoming URL now lol
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swentel yeah, I'm a bit lazy apparently on that part
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swentel well, lazy is not the good word
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swentel I simply missed that part of the spec :)
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swentel but I'm guessing that's the first user who's very strict about that when setting up the indieauth part :)
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swentel I should probably start sending https://indigenous.realize.be/android/
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Loqi Indigenous
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Loqi it is probable
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cjw6k hi swentel, yea I am strict by default lol
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swentel cjw6k, that's a good thing to do :)
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cjw6k any path should do, but no path is not good
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swentel cjw6k, ok, will start sending 'https://indigenous.realize.be/' then
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swentel commited and pushed ;)
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swentel release in a week or so, just testing the new dark theme a bit
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cjw6k super! thanks
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swentel no problem, thanks for letting me know
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cjw6k you're welcome
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swentel funny, the iOS version has the same problem
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swentel will fix that there too then
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cjw6k https://code.cjwillcock.ca/cjwillcock/webfoo/src/branch/master/tests/features/public/indieauth-authentication.feature#L94
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cjw6k may be something else useful in all that
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