#dev 2020-06-17
2020-06-17 UTC
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@steveivy Back to a nerd topic: implemented some of the #webmention server in my blog software this evening, and rearchitected the storage layer with an interface to make testing easier. #golang
(monkinetic txt-7000606) (twitter.com/_/status/1273120524353392643)
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@sonicrocketman For starters, start a blog and enable Webmentions. Blogging can be a social experience: likes, comments, replies, reposts. We can do it all and without the platforms. (twitter.com/_/status/1273163262557917187)
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[LewisCowles] Spent the morning switching from Python Geocoder to python googlemaps... So odd that Google keeps revising it's access credentials and that userland keeps falling apart
# [LewisCowles] I wonder if the answer is to use vendor upstreams direct (didn't work for twilio who revise their client despite the HTTP API being stable)
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[KevinMarks] Is openstreetmap not usable for your use case?
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# [LewisCowles] it might well be. The app used to use Google, so I was fixing it up to use Google
# [LewisCowles] I could add OpenStreetMap. TBH I shoud throw the code away as I don't use it, but I like to flex on old projects, so that when it comes time to upgrade ones I need that are more complex, it's less stress as I've picked up little bits here and there along the way
# [LewisCowles] other surprising things were the state of API's
# [LewisCowles] I thought
# [LewisCowles] from wtforms import EmailField
# [LewisCowles] makes sense as that is where I was importing from for prior input types. No such luck
# [LewisCowles] from wtforms.fields.html5 import EmailField
# [LewisCowles] In 2020, or TBH in 2012, there was no reason to segregate html5 like this. It had pretty broad support
# [LewisCowles] do I need an API key for OSM ?
# [LewisCowles] KevinMarks++
# [LewisCowles] simplified lol
# [KevinMarks] For rendering maps leaflet is really easy. Like 3 lines of code easy.
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# [LewisCowles] yeah I was using that and just went from 0.7.7 to 1.6.0
# [LewisCowles] showed up as a rendering speed increase
# [LewisCowles] I guess 7 years of updates can do that at times.
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@Buntworthy ↩️ Some of the indie web concepts around webmentions seem promising for having your own content but still interacting with things on platforms like twitter. But it's not exactly straightforward. (twitter.com/_/status/1273211503554985985)
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@hugoroyd @voxpelli Hello - I can't figure out how to not display broken avatars using the webmention endpoint. Any hints? Couldn't find the response on the website or github. (twitter.com/_/status/1273262352641732614)
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@jgmac1106 No slides for my talk on creating an #oer network using #IndieWeb building Blocks for #Apereo20 but here is some background: The why: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1226325762032197632.html the stuff: https://jgregorymcverry.com/webmentionbadgespressedconf19 andhow https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-05-11-2 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1c3xat) (twitter.com/_/status/1273263717782818823)
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# @steveivy Webmentions in Goldfrog
I might be hitting the wall on my Jekyll-inspired storage system for #goldfrog. GoldFrog uses Jekyll-style markdown posts as the “system of record”, but read into SQLite for serving/sear...
(http://monkinetic.blog/2020/06/17/webmentions-in-goldfrog) (twitter.com/_/status/1273268806522040323)
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@voxpelli ↩️ There's a "webmention-error" class in the failed images, you can apply CSS to it to hide it, that's what I do myself on https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1273284290235727878)
# @voxpelli ↩️ I created an issue for that: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/131 (twitter.com/_/status/1273285184792727556)
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[chrisaldrich] What is theme?
# [chrisaldrich] what is color palate?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "color palate" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "color palate is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi theme is an interchangeable set of templates and front-end code https://indieweb.org/theme
# Loqi ok, I added "https://mxb.dev/blog/color-theme-switcher/" to the "See Also" section of /theme https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70390&oldid=70389
# [chrisaldrich] my French is broken before my first coffee....
# [chrisaldrich] What is color palette?
# Loqi color palette is the set of colors used by a web page for the background(s), text color(s), border color(s), and link/visited color(s) typically chosen to be both aesthetically pleasing, and accessible, often in an overall light or dark theme https://indieweb.org/color_palette
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# Loqi color palette is the set of colors used by a web page for the background(s), text color(s), border color(s), and link/visited color(s) typically chosen to be both aesthetically pleasing, and accessible, often in an overall light or dark theme https://indieweb.org/colors
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# b3u should I ask about h-cards here, or in #microformats?
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# sivy_ ahoy all
# b3u hi
# sivy_ finally implmenting webmentions/activity on my wite
# sivy_ s/wite/site/
# sivy_ but strugglin to figure out how to store them
# b3u what's the stack?
# sivy_ (yes, I’m writing my own implmentation)
# sivy_ golang/sqlite/yaml
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# sivy_ posts are stored as jekyll-style markdown, but loaded into sqlite for serving/search
# sivy_ so there’ just a posts table
# b3u ah, not my cup of tea. I use 11ty.
# sivy_ don’t know that one
# b3u https://11ty.dev It's like jekyll, but written in JavaScript.
# sivy_ googles *ah*
# sivy_ basically trying to figure out how to best store the activity
# sivy_ so it can be loaded easily
# sivy_ sure it will eventually come to me
# b3u I store mine in a json file on build. Easily done, but you can't update it without building again.
# sivy_ are you using a separate service for receiving
# b3u However, I'll try to schedule chron builds.
# b3u yeah, brid.gy + webmentions.io
# sivy_ cool
# sivy_ yeah, i’m doing it the hard way, solving stuff myself
# sivy_ alreayd have my own webmention client for sending them
# b3u cool. I like keeping things simple.
# sivy_ and the server is 90% complete, once i figure out persistence
# b3u how are you hosting it? I like no-database stuff because I can host it for free.
# sivy_ linode
# sivy_ $5/mo
# sivy_ i only have like 3mb of content
# sivy_ in my sqlite db / filesystem
# sivy_ i deploy with ansible, build app binaries iwht circle ci
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# [KevinMarks] The challenge with markdown is that it loses classes, unless you store those bits as raw html
# [KevinMarks] So your webmentions lose structure
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# sivy_ my current thinking is to store webmentions in their own data file, one per post
# sivy_ possibly with a table as well, not sure yet
# sivy_ is there a need to store html for a wm?
# sivy_ or s/need/good reason/
# sivy_ (i’m still at “just confirmed that the source links to the target” stage, I’m still figuring out what to capture from the WM, and how to figure out if it’s a like, bookmark, note, etc)
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# sivy_ hm. then storing in yaml has risks
# [snarfed] background in https://indieweb.org/comments , https://indieweb.org/sanitize
# sivy_ well, might be fine
# [snarfed] oh and figuring out the type is https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery , but you may already know that
# sivy_ oh, that is good background
# sivy_ on displaying
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# [LewisCowles] Open Street Map & Google started rate limiting and have not stopped since earlier.
# [LewisCowles] I added a blank slate, but it would require more effort than I'd like to go to in order to surface a more useful message.
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# [KevinMarks]1 Osm has instructions on how to download the dataset and run your own geolocation
# [KevinMarks]1 Is it to big?
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# [LewisCowles] 😂 no this is literally fixing up something I found. I shouldn't spend the time on it, but it was surprising to me that with < 100 requests all day I was hitting limits. Especially when that is split between two providers that say nothing about localhost. I can only imagine a lot of other people are using heroku and aws for geocoding locations to get lat & lng
# [LewisCowles] note wikipedia. Not once given me a problem
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# [LewisCowles] It suggests some form of lazy IP blocking, or some hostname scanning. Some hot nonsense
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