#dev 2020-06-18

2020-06-18 UTC
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sivy_ huh, microformats parser i’m testing also exposed some broken microformats on my site
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@Lohn teste 11 Também em: * http://brid.gy (https://blog.lo.hn/?p=648) (twitter.com/_/status/1273484613818728448)
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jacky trying to bring this 1 second load time down
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jacky but I don't think I can tbh (I can split out font loading into a separate CSS file or move the fonts to be lazy loaded so the page can paint sooner
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jacky but I think a first time one second and subsequent sub second speeds are okay!
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jacky that said if I did want to reduce the payload, just cutting out fonts alone would help
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[LewisCowles] sort of damned with webfonts and progressive enhancement either way. it's block time vs repaints
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jacky yeah :(
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dansup system default fonts are getting better, sometimes thats enough
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jacky tbh that's a good route
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dansup we all have that one font we wish we could use everywhere, Inter is gorgeous imo
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jacky yeahhhhh lol
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jacky it's the open source San Francisco
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jacky hmm is micro.blog not loading for people?
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dansup yeah dude, typography is def an obsession of mine lol
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jacky I wanted to see what they looked like again, they use system fonts (but it targets macOS so that's kinda moot)
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jacky oh it's down D:
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dansup its not loading for me
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jacky yeah I just got a 502
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jacky aaron's projects lean on system sans-serif fonts so they good look
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dansup it gets tricky with licensing too, esp in open source. I need to find a permissive webfont library before I open source FediDB
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dansup using a single use font awesome pro license atm
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dansup i accidentally committed that in pixelfed one time lol, the pro version is so better though
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jacky there's a pro version?
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jacky that makes sense
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jacky what I'm slowly doing is seeing if I can take the Sentry approach ("open core") with licensing
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jacky so I can make patches for the hosted solution (of which anyone should be able to do to via the Web) and the OSS models would use regular forms
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dansup yeah it started out as a kickstarter, i got the pro version because I was an early backer
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dansup now they are moving to a $99/year model for v5
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dansup or v6, cant remember lol
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jacky sheesh I wasn't aware
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dansup yeah, there are lots of options tho, bootstrap has some nice icons
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[KevinMarks] What kind of icons do you need?
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jacky random: can anyone else with indieauth on their site trying signing into https://lighthouse.black.af? I know it works for me (and two other people) but I need more edge cases for sign in
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jacky can't wait until indieauth.rocks is up lol
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[Ana_Rodrigues] I can try
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[Ana_Rodrigues] I did it but I got an error… I can DM you
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sknebel hm, doesn't like my h-card
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sknebel I guess
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sknebel "couldn't determine who you are. try again"
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sknebel (also, clicking hte error to select the text makes it go away - please don't :D)
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[Ana_Rodrigues] mine said forwarded to “Internal Server Error” page but the url seems to been built with a callback code
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[Ana_Rodrigues] mine forwarded *
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jacky okay ty!
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jacky thankfully this app has a lot of tracing so I can figure this out
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jacky got a fix for your issue
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jacky (your being [Ana_Rodrigues], hit Enter too fast)
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jacky sknebel: I can't see exactly why that happened tho
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sknebel I use indieauth.com currently, which is why I suspect its not that being the problem
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sknebel might not like my main page being a redirect
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jacky no, that should be fine; I check for those
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jacky wait oh from https://svenknebel.de/ to https://www.svenknebel.de/? it should have caught that!
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[Ana_Rodrigues] ah great! I can test again whenever you’re ready
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sknebel and then to /posts. I might be relying on some ambiguity in representative h-card there, would need to double-check (don't have time right now)
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sknebel (i.e. I think I remember being convinced I'm right there, but I might be wrong :D)
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jacky oh you are
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jacky tbh I think I might change this to resolve the rep hcard _before_ going to do the indieauth flow (like a little confirmation that this is who you'd want to sign in as)
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jacky but that doesn't necessarily give me the 'correct' URL because it could change with the 'profile' scope
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jacky sknebel++ for testing
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jacky [Ana_Rodrigues]++ for testing and getting me to have a new patch!
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[KevinMarks] worked for kevinmarks.com and known.kevinmarks.com
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jacky nice, ty!
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jacky hmm actually curious if known gives some sort of hint
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[KevinMarks] got a server error with https://it-me-web.glitch.me/ but it might have been asleep
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jacky it does! (via the meta nam=generator)
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[KevinMarks] generator is a bit oldschool, but wp and things support it too
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jacky yeah couldn't find an authorization point for the glitch site
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jacky https://lookout.black.af/share/issue/342cbb3f64ba4a46a7546afb2bd48542/ was the error
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[KevinMarks] glitch is having trouble waking up
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jacky it looks like the app itself isn't working; not glitch
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jacky if it was glitch; the page would be a black space-y looking one
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jacky (that page could be improved tho)
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[KevinMarks] wow, that took like 5 minutes to boot
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jacky looks like it's back
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jacky the dashboard is _very_ vanilla; for sites not using lighthouse for their site, it'll just check and show if you have an endpoint for now
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jacky I want to extend it to run a small set of those tests over at https://webmention.rocks just to make sure the endpoint is working for things people would expect (sending and receiving)
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[KevinMarks] got an error again (that site also uses indieauth)
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[KevinMarks] indieauth.com I mean
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jacky which site?
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jacky hmm actually I see
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jacky https://it-me-web.glitch.me/ has no h-card so I can't get anything useful from it
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jacky which makes my earlier statement about doing a pre-resolve for h-cards more of a hard requirement
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[KevinMarks] ah, right yes, I should add one. I should tidy that experiment up
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cjw6k jacky: I tried from https://cj.w6k.ca/ and ended up on my homepage. Logs show it tried to send me to /auth?... (truncated) instead of /auth/?
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Loqi Christopher "Chris" James Willcock, MIEEE
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cjw6k I haven't got my routes to do an optional trailing / (yet), but the authorization_endpoint is /auth/ so would have expected that
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cjw6k also, you need a path component in your client_id https://lighthouse.black.af -> https://lighthouse.black.af/
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nekr0z good morning IndieWeb!
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nekr0z I'm lazyloading images on my site, and I started wondering whether <img class="u-photo" src="/svg/loading.svg" data-src="/actual_image.jpg"> was legal from MF2 point of view...
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aaronpk Parsers won't find the data-src one at all
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aaronpk what is lazy loading?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lazy loading" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "lazy loading is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk Hm
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aaronpk i thought there was a built in browser api for this now
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swentel yeah loading="lazy" should work (apart from IE11)
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nekr0z Hmm... So there's basically no way to tell the parsers what the actual image is?
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aaronpk Use a regular img tag and the loading=lazy attribute
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nekr0z OK. will give it a try. Thanks aaronpk++
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aaronpk if you insist on the loading image in the img tag and swapping it out in javascript then you'd need to move the u-photo class elsewhere to some element that the mf2 parsers can find like using a data element for it
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nekr0z That's a cool idea, too, seeing as how not all the browsers support loading="lazy" yet.
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nekr0z Hm, what if I put the 'real" image in srcset? Shouldn't that supercede src?
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nekr0z No, that won't work, it would also supercede the lazyloading thing.
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[LewisCowles] loading=lazy will literally show nothing until the image is loaded. Maybe there is some CSS you could use with JS events setting the background to a single loader image, which onLoad has the HTML class removed?
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[LewisCowles] you would need dimensions set, but AFAIK that is beginning to be advised to avoid page re-flow
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[LewisCowles] I think images are loaded into the foreground, so as long as an element has no padding, the image loading should cover the background loader image
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[snarfed] jacky just fyi i got "couldn't determine who you are" w/snarfed.org, uses indieauth.com
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[LewisCowles] what was I saying here... loading=lazy is css matchable, no js needed. it does look like loading=lazy isn't applied if all the images have the same url 😞
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[LewisCowles] https://cdpn.io/Lewiscowles1986/fullpage/zYrNxjg as an example
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[chrisaldrich] jacky, I was able to login into Lighthouse with my wordpress site using the IndieAuth plugin.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] Hello everyone 👋
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] I’m trying to separate my twitter accounts for each language and I’m seeing that brid.gy is having problems to send webmentions from the other account. I think the url might be the problem since is the same site just with a /es/ at the end for the spanish website. Is that the problem? that it detects the site to be the same and already in use?
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[snarfed] [Ramiro_Ruiz] hmm, sorry for the trouble! bridgy publish doesn't support multiple twitter accounts for the same site, but bridgy backfeed should
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[snarfed] can you give me an example of a reply that should have been backfed but wasn't?
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] Thanks… For example, here is a tweet with a like: https://twitter.com/ramiroruiz_ES/status/1272895013584846849 (https://ramiroruiz.com/es/2020/06/16/note/09-13-09/)
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@ramiroruiz_ES Parece que ya regresaron los tráficos de siempre en Monterrey ☹️ (twitter.com/_/status/1272895013584846849)
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] I’m using a feed link on the spanish homepage
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[snarfed] [Ramiro_Ruiz] thanks! i'll look
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@evemassacre ↩️ Very indieweb too, reminds me of webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1273685487010680832)
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@ramiroruiz_ES Parece que ya regresaron los tráficos de siempre en Monterrey ☹️ (twitter.com/_/status/1272895013584846849)
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[snarfed] [Ramiro_Ruiz] looks like your u-syndication link on https://ramiroruiz.com/es/2020/06/16/note/09-13-09/ is wrong. it's https://twitter.com/ramiroruiz/status/1272895013584846849 , but it should be https://twitter.com/ramiroruiz_ES/status/1272895013584846849
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Loqi [Ramiro Ruiz] Parece que ya regresaron los tráficos de siempre en Monterrey ☹️
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[snarfed] (tweet id is the same, but username should be ramiroruiz_ES)
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] 🤦 Wow you’re right! I forgot to update the template for the new account. Sorry for the troubles! and thank you so much!
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[snarfed] you're welcome!
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jacky [snarfed]++ thank you; will check that
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jacky cjw6k++ for introducing an edgecase :)
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jacky [chrisaldrich]: for confirmation ++
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jacky oof
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jacky [chrisaldrich]++
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[KevinMarks] This might suit some of you https://conf.activitypub.rocks/#cfp
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[jgmac1106] This is cool https://ninjarockstar.dev/css-hex-grids/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove !tell manton would it be possible to get a test micro.blog account so I can update theme mf2 and try them out?
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