#dev 2020-06-19

2020-06-19 UTC
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aaronpk oh yesss linode DNS changes take 60 seconds now!
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[schmarty] 🎉
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@aaronpk ↩️ http://pine.blog is now an excellent option to receive webmentions on static sites or any other website! More info here: https://blog.pine.blog/2020/05/bring-us-your-static-sites-yearning-to-breathe-free/ (twitter.com/_/status/1273808332470415362)
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GWG When would an h-card be the source of a webmention?
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GWG Is there such a scenario?
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GWG Same question for h-event, and other h- properties
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@BMorearty @swyx Shawn, I discovered you today and have been enjoying reading your writing, including #learninpublic which I love. Amused to see you rewrote your blog in @sveltejs because I plan to do the same w/mine. BTW, possible bug on https://www.swyx.io/writing/clientside-webmentions/ that breaks nav: (twitter.com/_/status/1273848513642692608)
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@eleve_media You can’t think of Diane Keaton without at least once thinking of the movie, Annie Hall. Such was the influence of Keaton on the movie and its fans. #Eleve #RankME #Influenceragency #webmentions #AnnieHall #Keaton (twitter.com/_/status/1273853530705723397)
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[fluffy] Huh, Google is releasing native text fragments in Chrome. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/google-pushes-text-fragment-links-with-new-chrome-extension/
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[fluffy] looks completely incompatible with fragmentions
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cweiske https://wicg.github.io/scroll-to-text-fragment/
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Loqi [Nick Burris] Text Fragments
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[KevinMarks] yeah - it could be made compatible if they fell back to fragmention syntax, but they are super careful about not confusing clientside code that use fragments
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[KevinMarks] I was playing with it at highlightpoetry.com
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@MikeScops @BoltCMS does anyone implemented webmentions yet? (twitter.com/_/status/1273966244350353408)
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@jakewies The indieWeb is alive and strong https://mxb.dev/blog/the-return-of-the-90s-web/#webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1273983175245664257)
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@aswath ↩️ But this won't be sufficient as long as #WebRTC allows for triangular connection and third party auth schemes (OpenID, Indieauth, WebID) are available. No need for bilateral federation; one can take unilateral decision. (twitter.com/_/status/1274006188926078985)
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[fluffy] https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Publ-templates-beesbuzz.biz/pull/8 raises some questions on what’s the right way to provide outgoing links that aren’t human-readable, for eg webmentions and h-card. I don’t think <link> makes sense for these but setting tabindex feels wrong too.
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Loqi [Zegnat] #8 Add negative tabindex to skip focusing empty links in browsers
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[fluffy] Tabindex is less wrong though :) and I can’t justify the wrongness from a technical standpoint, like that literally what it’s for right?
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[fluffy] Okay per https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-webmention-20170112/#h-webmention-verification I was remembering the spec correctly so tabindex is the right approach.
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[fluffy] At least for the webmention part. But is there an appropriate way of providing mf2 url data without an <a> tag, for the h-card?
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[fluffy] And http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing says that <link> is valid for that, okay!
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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[snarfed] fluffy: https://indieweb.org/h-card#Issues
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[fluffy] [snarfed] yeah I’ve been stuffing my h-card into a `<div class="hidden">` (where the ‘hidden’ class is set display:none in CSS) and I’m not sure if that also needs the tabindex to be set to prevent it from being tabbed through on browsers. A better solution for the webmention side of things might be to actually put text inside the links but then also hide those via CSS. I need to see if that fixes the accessibility issue.
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[KevinMarks] Do links get hoisted to the head?
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[fluffy] syndication and specific mentions (bookmark-of etc.) do yes
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[fluffy] plain ol’ mentions don’t
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[fluffy] anyway I got distracted with something else but I have a better solution in mind I think
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[fluffy] it looks like hidden stuff doesn’t get tabbed through but really I think for the indieweb.xyz tag syndication stuff it makes sense to just… make those visible.
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[fluffy] but short-term fix, zegnat’s thing is fine 🙂
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[fluffy] oh and it looks like the h-card thing is a nonissue because the hidden CSS fixes that.
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[Zegnat] [fluffy] I am out, because midsommar, but a quick side note: when <link> is inappropriate, you also have the option of <data>
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@BMorearty ↩️ Well I saw the webmentions section linking to tweets, but I guess it wasn't obvious to me when you wrote "please comment" that you meant "please comment by tweeting a link to this post." (twitter.com/_/status/1274079650000453635)
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[fluffy] [Zegnat] but will other things respect <data> for mf2 and for webmentions?
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[fluffy] I guess for mf2 yes but the webmention spec is kind of vague about what’s accepted as an incoming link.
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[fluffy] the spec says “the receiver should look for <a href=“*”>, <img href=“*”>, <video src=“*”> and other similar links”
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[fluffy] in JSON docs it says that any property that’s an exact match should be accepted but it doesn’t say, specifically, that any target of an href or src should be considered a valid link in HTML.
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[Zegnat] Ah, yeah, webmentions do not grab data. Hmm.
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[Zegnat] https://github.com/w3c/webmention/issues/91 for my best guess on what counts as a link in html
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Loqi [Zegnat] #91 “other similar links” is a vague description for what constitutes getting mentioned in HTML
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