#dev 2020-06-20

2020-06-20 UTC
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[tantek] re: lazy loading images, pretty sure release Firefox an Chrome both support it, good enough to use right?
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[tantek] Does anyone have experience or software or a service that (politely) crawls Internet Archive for a MediaWiki install and creates static HTML pages for it? E.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20200514144501/http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page
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[KevinMarks] Spiderpig maybe? It depends on there being a link chain from the homepage
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[KevinMarks] My fork looks at archive.org, but it proxying through mention.tech because I already had that working.
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aaronpk I spiderpig'd my own mediawiki before i shut it down. I've never tried running it on an archive.org URL
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[tantek] Yeah just coincidence that I decided to rewatch the series a mere 2 weeks after the site shutdown 😕
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[tantek] I figure an archive.org crawl may require more gentle crawling
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[tantek] or maybe they have an API to explicitly retrieve archive data? like in WAF format?
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[tantek] [KevinMarks], does spiderpig have a commit to github option where you give it a repo and it commits the static files?
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aaronpk that would just be `git commit -a` or something after it's done
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[tantek] "just" and a command line don't belong in the same sentence 🤣
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[tantek] (omits context of directory, presumption of existing git check out etc. etc.)
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[tantek] that does bring up another curious option, a locally browseable version, does spiderpig have an option to turn all pages into .html versions and turn all internal links to their .html versions so you can literally double-click one of the files locally and the click and browse locally from there?
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aaronpk i just mean they are completely different problemsand likely should not be combined into a single tool
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aaronpk and yes that is what spiderpig does
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@kixiQu ↩️ and then I start looking at the options that support webmentions, and... I resent static site generators when I start being unable to understand the templating logic and am afraid of how quickly that might start (given very little FE experience) (twitter.com/_/status/1274144382677999616)
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@kixiQu ↩️ like, I love writefreely because you can just blog and go, right? but I felt like replying using webmentions to someone, and that isn't supported yet. so I think, hey, you know, an excuse to buy another domain, i'll take it (twitter.com/_/status/1274144381864275968)
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aaronpk that's confusing
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aaronpk good luck getting a static site to work with activitypub at all
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aaronpk but yes "go sign up for a service" is generally going to be a better experience than setting up a static site
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jacky lol
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aaronpk ( first part of that thread: https://twitter.com/_/status/1274144381067423749 )
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@kixiQu why is the #indieweb so hard the activitypub world seems so simple relatively (twitter.com/_/status/1274144381067423749)
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jacky to be fair
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jacky I want to "fix" that gap (the zero to commenting thread thing) for Webmentions
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aaronpk yes!
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aaronpk i mean micro.blog and pine.blog are already two great options
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jacky agreed!
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jacky I'm looking to be the "disqus" of that space
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jacky which, tbh, is hard as hell lol
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aaronpk eww don't say that word
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jacky LOL
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[tantek] goes to do some homework reading on spiderpig
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vilhalmer I attempted to implement AP statically
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vilhalmer you can show up in the fediverse, but that's about it
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vilhalmer I still get scanned regularly, I think there's no escape
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[tantek] is there a minimum set of redirect rules to make all the ".well-known" crap "work" without duplicating information?
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vilhalmer I got it to work with an nginx rewrite to convert the query string into a path
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vilhalmer and a symlink on disk to forward escaped to non-escaped
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vilhalmer because I was seeing requests to both
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vilhalmer for a while I had a very minimal inbox saving json blobs to disk but it's off at the moment
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vilhalmer it was only collecting deletes
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vilhalmer will get back to it someday, probably
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[tantek] I don't even want to serve metacrap JSON
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vilhalmer websub is more urgent
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[tantek] is there something that converts an h-card to the metacrap JSON that it wants?
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vilhalmer that's on my todo list :)
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[tantek] nice vilahalmer++
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Loqi vilahalmer has 1 karma over the last year
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vilhalmer the canonical form of my site will be html at all costs
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[tantek] argh
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[tantek] vilhalmer++
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Loqi vilhalmer has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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[tantek] s/all costs/minimum viable costs
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vilhalmer hehehe
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vilhalmer I just have so many projects
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[tantek] 😄
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vilhalmer I need to get more invested in my site so I have more reason to work on it
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vilhalmer now that I have indieauth working I'm getting closer to it being critical infrastructure
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[tantek] nice!
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vilhalmer I think I even wrote some code to generate AP… where the heck did I put it
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[tantek] aaronpk, by "Query strings are ignored completely" do you mean spiderpig does *not* crawl links with query strings?
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vilhalmer aha, I did! it can already generate a minimal Create activity
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[tantek] nice
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vilhalmer I'm trying to keep it split up so it could be triggered by i.e. a git post-receive hook
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vilhalmer instead of needing a daemon
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vilhalmer not static, but close
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[tantek] aaronpk, would you accept documentation improvement pull requests to spiderpig?
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aaronpk Yes please!
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aaronpk IIRC by "ignored" it will not use the query string to determine the filename on disk
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aaronpk vilhalmer: I am impressed you got that far with activitypub
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[tantek] uh so query string URLs are still crawled? but might overwrite files without the query string?
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[tantek] still confused about how a link to a URL with a query string is treated.
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[tantek] is it crawled or isn't it?
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[snarfed] [tantek] you might also try `wget --mirror` and compare. aaronpk did a good job of describing the differences, but none seem like dealbreakers per se
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[tantek] nah I like the explicit usability decisions that aaronpk made with spiderpig
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[tantek] I'm just trying to understand what happens with query string links 😂
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@rrrrrrrix ↩️ I think, FWIW you might be able to forge webmentions, it's "just" an html POST with a source and destination attribute. this is what i do on my website, its an elisp. @jackyalcine has been talking about building more composable indieweb services, i think? (twitter.com/_/status/1274199414148493312)
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[LewisCowles] wget --mirror is not good for archive.org anyway. Wound up downloading an old site recently from archive.org. There are people who have made commercial tools to do the download, but essentially you want to stay within the same frame of time, I've not found anything good
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Loqi wget has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] lol
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[LewisCowles] whoa Loqi
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[LewisCowles] wget++
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[LewisCowles] it's archive that has a problematic model
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[LewisCowles] and they also don't need to lose karma
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vilhalmer slack workaround bug?
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[LewisCowles] I wouldn't mind those characters had a word attached
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vilhalmer our work bot used to support precrement karma but we had to disable it because we paste cli commands too often :D
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[LewisCowles] they should not have done that
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[LewisCowles] I've always been against bots and this has shown me why
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[LewisCowles] it's all fun and games until someone harms wget karma
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vilhalmer hahaha
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Loqi vilhalmer: lol
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vilhalmer see, bots are good
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vilhalmer pats Loqi
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[LewisCowles] Loqi is brick from anchorman
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[tantek] gives loqi a crumb
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Loqi grabs the crumb
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[tantek] 😄
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vilhalmer !botsnack
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vilhalmer darn
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jacky haha
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vilhalmer what are breadcrumbs
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "breadcrumbs" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "breadcrumbs is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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vilhalmer !
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jacky breadcrumbs are /crumbs
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Loqi ok
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vilhalmer what happens if I click that loqi link after its created
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vilhalmer oh nice
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jacky clicks to find out
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jacky ah it's the edit page
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vilhalmer Loqi is probably the most useful bot I've interacted with
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vilhalmer arch's phrik is the most amusing
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Guest68597 I can't find anything either way, so is it generally a good idea for accessibility to add `alt="description"` to a `<video>` tag?
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Guest68597 Darn it, I am Spartacus.
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jeremycherfas Thank you.
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[jgmac1106] !tell snarfed...too soon for a Bridgy audio tweet issue?
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@steveivy TFW you’re teetering on the edge between using the #microformats library to find h-cards and their properties and writing an entirely new wrapper to make finding #webmention comments “easy” (monkinetic txt-1ad3454) (twitter.com/_/status/1274371684930187266)
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@aaronpk ↩️ This is exactly the reason for OAuth, which moves the two-factor auth problem away from the app developer and into the account provider. IndieAuth is a way to do OAuth for independent sites like WordPress. (twitter.com/_/status/1274374991400714242)
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] never too early! feel free to file one
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[snarfed] two key questions to answer in the issue: 1) are they definitely shipping it officially, to everyone? or is it still just an "experiment?" and 2) is there API support yet?
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[jgmac1106] 2) prolly not and never...good point
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[tantek] When are we renaming the Apache web server and foundation? Prime example of cultural appropriation by primarily white and male open source people
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Loqi what
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[jgmac1106] He is right Loqi
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aaronpk oh gosh
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vilhalmer and all for a pun
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[LewisCowles] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-284
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[LewisCowles] https://github.com/Quick/Quick/issues/660
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Loqi [non-binary] #660 Change LICENSE
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[LewisCowles] General guess to tantek (likely rhetorical joke) is that it may not be any time soon
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[tantek] Oh yes change the name of the Apache license too
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[tantek] [LewisCowles] soon or not, it’s worth raising the issue and having the uncomfortable conversations until it gets changed. Undoing cultural appropriations like that is perhaps one small part of dismantling white supremacy
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aaronpk i was surprised to see that was a very well researched and non-flammatory github thread
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