#dev 2020-06-27

2020-06-27 UTC
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[fluffy] okay this is weird, I didn’t change my site index page AT ALL and now pin13.net is finding the h-card after all?
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[fluffy] or did you fix something on it and I just missed that in the chat?
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[fluffy] also what happens if there’s multiple e-content blocks on an h-entry?
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aaronpk i haven't touched pin13.net
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aaronpk most things i've written only look at the first e-content value
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[fluffy] that’s what I figured
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aaronpk i suspect that's true of most things
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aaronpk tho "content" is the one that's the easiest to just smash together and have it actually make sense
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[fluffy] yeah, I was just wondering because I wanted to refactor my template to move the indieweb ping stuff outside of the e-content block and I have both intro and extended body text, and for whatever reason I didn’t want to add another layer of div for the e-content that contained both of them but didn’t contain the pings. But then I remembered, divs are cheap 😛
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aaronpk ah yeah
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[chrisaldrich] fluffy, I recall Inoreader (a popular RSS reader) made some changes in Dec/January to better display posts that didn't have titles. I'm hoping that more feed readers begin supporting these types of posting patterns.
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[jgmac1106] yeah that was directly because of asks within the micro.blog community. They are specifically using the JSON blog feed in inoreader I believe
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[jgmac1106] when I added a blog to dokuwiki I didn't have the know how to figure out how to retool templating to get rid of a bunch of stuff just using dt-published as the title of posts for now
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jacky hmm need some feedback
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jacky let's say I got a webmention that has a callback
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jacky if the callback fails; should I consider the whole webmention to be a failure of sorts?
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jacky or should I do some retry stuff?
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@JmacDotOrg Here’s me talking for five minutes about Webmention and IndieWeb at this year’s Perl Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2VLrZ9nh2E (twitter.com/_/status/1276719265471741958)
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@Dreamseer Webmentions einbauen: Eine Stunde Arbeit. ✅ Meine kleine Vereinsseite kann das jedenfalls jetzt: https://instrumentalverein-tueddern.de/news/2020/wir-proben-wieder (twitter.com/_/status/1276847817781391361)
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@gidikroon ↩️ Switched my blog to a theme that supports microformats2 and now http://brid.gy works. (The post itself is a while ago...) (twitter.com/_/status/1276861747010379777)
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[jgmac1106] to* a stie
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[jgmac1106] what would it take for a micropub application not to publish top a site without micropub support but just make an html file downloadable with nothing more than the h-* that would be neat
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[jgmac1106] grrr....
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petermolnar that's... a brilliant idea
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aaronpk schmarty's gif thingy does that!
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sknebel Since I'm missing it on Twitter: filter UIs in readers really should have a preview of "if you add this filter, heres a timeline of the posts you'Ve recently seen that'd have filtered"
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aaronpk Ooh
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk yeah I actually use it in that way....I would also like an mf2 parser where I could stick in a link and get nothing but the HTML inside h* that would be neat too
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[jgmac1106] never thoguht about how Kapowski did that...I think she iss the gif tool...can't recall all the Bayside he built in
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jacky sknebel; that's a good function tbh
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sknebel (i was considering putting some specific emoji I ever conciously notice in bad posts on the mute list, but would have liked to double check my perception there)
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sknebel *only ever
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[snarfed] sounds like gmail's filter creation UI...which is flawed in other ways, but does preview like that
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@steveivy ↩️ Paralyzed at the decision on how to store #webmentions in the file system in a way I can still do moderation. You? (twitter.com/_/status/1276925679947313152)
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[tantek] sivy, I can totally related. I'm literally stuck on webmentions storage design and spent a bunch of time discussing that with folks at IWC 2019
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@jgmac1106 @chrisaldrich demos and @fluffy goes next with publ her "dynamic" static site generator #IndieWeb I love @fluffys work makes displaying webmentions manageable for things I can't do...wonder if publ ready for new users #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/eKECC) (twitter.com/_/status/1276941911262146560)
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GWG [tantek]: Didn't you and a few others brainstorm that years age?
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GWG ago?
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GWG [tantek]: https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#storage - IWC 2016
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[tantek] GWG, yes the brainstorming has been happening for a while
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GWG [tantek]: Wasn't sure if you remembered those notes
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[tantek] eventually it turned into brainstorming storage of reply-contexts as a "simpler" problem than webmentions and still working on that too
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[tantek] thank you GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (132 in all channels)
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GWG Maybe we need to collate all the brainstorming storage notes
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[tantek] tinbox << incorporate into webmention/reply-context storage brainstorming, and on [[Falcon#Working_On]]: https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#storage - IWC 2016
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Loqi ok, I added "incorporate into webmention/reply-context storage brainstorming, and on [[Falcon#Working_On]]: https://indieweb.org/Webmention-brainstorming#storage - IWC 2016" to the "See Also" section of /tinbox https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70640&oldid=70244
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@jgmac1106 Beto goes next with http://blog.taoetc.org/ a Static Site Generator. He just added webmentions and got a Fender. I am not sure which is cooler. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/xYN7m) (twitter.com/_/status/1276949676353368065)
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@BillSeitz Who on the #IndieWeb is getting/showing lots of webmentions interaction? (twitter.com/_/status/1276958096309526530)
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[tantek] 🙈
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[chrisaldrich] LOL, tantek!
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[fluffy] [petermolnar_] have you looked into using webmention.app instead of telegram? I think it’ll automate a few more steps for you.
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[tantek] webmention.app++
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Loqi webmention.app has 1 karma over the last year
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jacky ^ it def does
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petermolnar not yet. thank you for the heads up!
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@joe4ska Currently taking notes from @petermolnar's session at @indieweb Camp West on my website at https://www.linuxbookpro.com/codeless-automation-tools-and-the-indieweb-how-webmentions-and-the-web-works/ (twitter.com/_/status/1276980064584794113)
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[jgmac1106] things I want to automate...add rel="next" and rel="prev," dt-published, if I do that I would be happy..after that publishing my archive page..
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ben_thatmustbeme given tantek's discussion, wonder what he thinks about me having parsed every h-card an linked people's accounts back on my personal site
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ben_thatmustbeme 2 years ago
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[snarfed] ben_thatmustbeme: much less https://indiemap.org/ 😎
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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[snarfed] jacky et al: re bridgy auto-creating twitter hashtags from p-category: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/478
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Loqi [cweiske] #478 Automatically create twitter hashtags from tags
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jacky [snarfed]++
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jacky found it https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8707.html
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[tantek] and this is why you have building blocks rather than a monolithic protocol
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[tantek] so when you discover that a piece of the protocol is broken, you don't have to wait to revise the whole protocol
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[tantek] you "just" drop the bad building block and make a new one
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[tantek] dev-conversation thread carried on from the #indieweb et al
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[fluffy] sure, I wasn’t sure if this was dev or just indieweb territory but that’s reasonable
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[fluffy] I am totally fine with moving this conversation here!
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[tantek] another good reason to *not* be federation-centric
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[tantek] taking a crappy centralized UX and federating it just means you've now made more people suffer with maintaining a crappy UX
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[fluffy] but yeah like… I feel like if we only think about IndieWeb users for the time being, we can think about building the protocol the right way. And I do feel like AutoAuth already has all of the structure for ‘the right way’ whatever that way may be.
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[fluffy] Like, again to use Publ as my own tunnel-vision aspect of this: someone applies AutoAuth credentials to their IndieWeb social reader, their reader grabs my feed, gets a WWW-Authenticate: header, gets a bearer token, Publ goes “oh hey you have a new subscriber” and I choose which ACLs they get added to
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[fluffy] “gets a bearer token” being shorthand for “goes through the entire AutoAuth flow”
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[fluffy] anyway so from my POV I can see that this person is following me, and I decide what they can see in addition to public posts, without them requesting permission or them even knowing there’s permission to request
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[fluffy] they just magically start getting the private posts because their reader does the song and dance
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[schmarty] fluffy: that does feel like a pretty neat experience