#dev 2020-06-30

2020-06-30 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] Your bookshelf page is quite lovely! Good job. Don't forget to add it to the wiki (or the demos page from yesterday).
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106]++
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (89 in all channels)
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jgmac1106 I will when I finish something with 40rem size and content spilling right around 1500px, trying to resize or will break down and add some media breakpoints
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jacky 40rem?
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gRegorLove font size of root element
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gRegorLove Trying to find a way to archive a reddit comment. Unfortunately doesn't work well with archive.org, gets a truncated version and the button to expand doesn't work https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok_just_get/fmuko1m/?context=1
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aaronpk try archive.is?
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aaronpk er
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aaronpk did it disappear??
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gRegorLove nope
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gRegorLove the archive.is version looks like an old version of reddit, which is interesting. full text, though, so awesome.
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aaronpk none of the domains are resolving for me
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gRegorLove http://archive.is/p8xqz
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aaronpk "archive.is’s server IP address could not be found."
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gRegorLove odd
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aaronpk something is wrong with my DNS... "archive.is. 29 IN CNAME ."
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aaronpk wait it's not just me
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aaronpk dig archive.is @1.1.1.1
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gRegorLove I get 212.80.216.76
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aaronpk even my server gets the "CNAME ." response when asking 1.1.1.1
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aaronpk omg is cloudflare blocking them
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gRegorLove wow
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aaronpk wait no
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aaronpk archive.is is blocking cloudflare
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aaronpk https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-error-1001/18227
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aaronpk https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702
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Loqi [eastdakota] We don’t block archive.is or any other domain via 1.1.1.1. Doing so, we believe, would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service. Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers re...
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aaronpk wow what a mess
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gRegorLove weird. why?
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aaronpk details in that HN post
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jgmac1106 chisaldrich I think it is done(ish) will do my demo post in abit, thx for the love, the mf2 still weird it is an h-cite (exact copy of a post) but I didn’t know how to embed an h-cite for the book since it had the same title (p-name) different author..just ignored it for now…no consumer…
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jgmac1106 may just add a star rating to the fron of each card and then make it an h-review anyways..I do say click to read full review
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jacky wow tbh
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jacky I actually agree with CF on this one
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jacky although me and the CEO are not on good terms lol
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aaronpk CF has nothing to do with it other than not doing a workaround
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jacky I need to write something about how him and I met lol
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jacky aaronpk: nah I agree! like CF could have been like "eh screw it, let's leak" but they haven't
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gRegorLove seems shady on archive.is' part
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aaronpk ah yea
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jacky it _is_
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jacky archive.is forcing people to ID themselves is a bit tricky
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gRegorLove looking at their FAQ they don't identify who/$$, just "privately funded"
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jacky shady shady shady
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jacky wait gRegorLove can you use web.archive.org against the archive.is link? lol
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jacky archive-ception
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gRegorLove haha, probably!
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gRegorLove https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/557/a88.jpg
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jacky ahah
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gRegorLove huh, nope. archive.org must be using CF "DNS resolution error. You've requested a page on a website (archive.is) that is on the Cloudflare network. Cloudflare is currently unable to resolve your requested domain (archive.is). There are two potential causes of this..."
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aaronpk haha whoa
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jacky that's interesting
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jacky hmm
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sknebel that's an interesting one, and I don't fully agree with the "shady" classification
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sknebel Yes, they're asking DNS resolver operators to give some information about the person querying - but how often are you resolving a domain but not immediately afterwards connecting to the IP you just resolved?
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aaronpk what's cloudflare's motivation for doing that obfuscation in the first place?
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sknebel while at the same time, Cloudflare limits precision of locating users to their nearest PoP. Which means that other services or CDNs can't do traffic steering that's better than cloudflares network on a DNS level
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jacky oh I mention shady because of the private funding bit
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jacky imho archival services should run akin to a library
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jacky _but_ the DNS obfuscation thing is like def one of those see-saw things
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jacky like people run to CF for a sense of security but this approach breaks things like this
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gRegorLove anyone support unlisted posts and use an icon on the page to indicate it's unlisted?
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gRegorLove I'm adding visibility to indiebookclub, using "Visibility: private [padlock icon]" on private posts, thinking about a corollary for unlisted posts
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jacky hmm I don't use icons for them yet
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jacky but I don't think I'd use a padlock
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jacky something like a broken paperclip/link icon
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gRegorLove Padlock is private, not unlisted.
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jacky ah my fault - read too fast lol
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gRegorLove hm wait, might be overthinking... the user has no way to get the unlisted indiebookclub URL, hah
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jacky outside of manually adding it no?
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jacky like that's something I might do (I'm working on backfilling my posts from my old Twitter account but they'll be all unlisted)
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gRegorLove Unlisted is only if you have a micropub server and it advertises unlisted posts, so you don't ever get (or really need) the unlisted indiebookclub url
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jacky ah true true
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gRegorLove I'm not entirely sure everyone who uses it with micropub understands there's an indiebookclub corollary URL, haha. With rel-canonical and links to your permalink, of course.
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gRegorLove The about page describes it, though I could see people overlooking it
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gRegorLove Don't think it's a big deal, just thinking out loud
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aaronpk icon? hmm
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aaronpk darn i didnt include a screenshot of what it looks like on my site
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2019/09/30/3/unlisted-posts
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aaronpk aha https://aaronparecki.com/2019/09/29/23/unlisted
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] This post is (should be) unlisted! That means the only way you should be seeing this post is if you access it directly via the URL. (It should also show up in search, which is something I'm deciding whether is acceptable.) If you saw this post some...
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aaronpk i do kind of want an icon for it
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gRegorLove I might have a fun easter egg type idea for it, heh
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gRegorLove https://dev.indiebookclub.biz/users/gregorlove.com/20
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aaronpk lol
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[tantek] 👻 is not bad. Though perhaps could also be a funny reference to an expiring post
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[tantek] what is 👻
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Loqi Ghost is an an open source blogging software project written in node.js, and also a hosted silo at https://ghost.org https://indieweb.org/%F0%9F%91%BB
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gRegorLove hah
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gRegorLove would anyone with micropub visibility=private or =unlisted support like to try an indiebookclub update?
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jacky lol I _thought_ I had proper unlisted support
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jacky but I don't
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jacky nor does my site properly mark up read posts
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gRegorLove Does it use the `summary` as a fallback? ibc sends that
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jacky nah like it doesn't even show anything
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jacky https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/117f947c-a9c3-4f79-a0d6-85668f79ffc2
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jacky completely blank >_<
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gRegorLove btw I somehow missed that you had a library page until just the other day! I like it
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jacky oh yeah - I made that in a haste/frustration
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jacky ty
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gRegorLove I'm pretty confident these updates are working so I might deploy it
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[KevinMarks] js build tools compared https://web.dev/introducing-tooling-report/
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[christopherche] Can anyone please help me add canonical URLs to tweets cross-posted from a Micro.blog? I tried to follow the rel-canonical directions from the wiki but couldn’t get it to work.
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[KevinMarks] what's the goal for that?
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[christopherche] So that people can see where the Tweet originally came from.
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[christopherche] It shows that it came from Micro.blog but does not link to my specific post.
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[christopherche] I’m trying to follow this advice: https://indieweb.org/rel-canonical
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[KevinMarks] right, but you can't change the <head> of twitter.com
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[KevinMarks] what is permashortlink
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Loqi A permashortlink (abbreviated PSL) is a URL using a short-domain that expands to a permalink; on the IndieWeb, PSLs use personal short domains to expand to the same person's personal domain, thus minimizing the fragility often associated with shortlinks https://indieweb.org/permashortlink
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[KevinMarks] however, linking to short posts elsewhere from twtter can be a bad experience, as people click through expecting more and don't get it.
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[KevinMarks] also it can look bad if your link has a twitter preview, as then it shows twice
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[christopherche] Whoops. Not trying to post from twitter to Twitter. I’m trying to syndicate from my personal microblog to Twitter.
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[christopherche] https://christopherchelpka.com/categories/microblog
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[christopherche] I set up a test twitter account and the syndication is working but there is no URL on the tweet linking back to the blog.
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[christopherche] https://mobile.twitter.com/testbugtest1
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[christopherche] I did register chch.me for a PSL, if that helps.
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[christopherche] I mean chch.is
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[KevinMarks] hm, that might be a configuration issue for micro.blog
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[christopherche] K
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[christopherche] Thanks
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@loltimo too annoyed and tired to deal with fixing my ghost blog so i could post updates on my grant … but also just had a look at IndieWeb™ stuff again and … intrigued by IndieAuth, micropub, PURR & static files, webmentions, all that. but also no time for this either … (twitter.com/_/status/1277975686586568704)
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@AndreJaenisch ↩️ Currently paused, but perhaps https://github.com/Ryuno-Ki/webmention-tools could serve as a package you could learn from. There are plenty of other python packages on GitHub. My focus is currently on JavaScript for various reasons. (twitter.com/_/status/1277989074264096775)
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@AndreJaenisch ↩️ Read up https://indieweb.org/Webmention if you want to learn more about the subject. There are some interesting people around exploring it. Even here on Twitter! (twitter.com/_/status/1277992446392242177)
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sivy gooooood morning indieweb frens
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aaronpk 🎉 ☕
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sknebel morning
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sknebel *yawn*
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jacky some art around posting interfaces from pixelfed (in the context of tagging people): https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/104431650114010272
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Loqi [pixelfed 🚀] Hello Tag, a new feature that allows you to publicly or privately tag people and accounts in your posts.Think of it like a mention but with more privacy!It will be rolling out later this week, we look forward to your feedback.#pixelfed #tagPeople https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/030/386/837/original/c69b43423ac32c92.png
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jacky h/t to dansup ;)
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dansup :D
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[tantek] interesting!
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[tantek] lol I think I may be the first one to (try to) use Bridgy Publish to POSSE a reacji to a *pullrequest review* rather than a comment because I just got this error: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1593547517&key=agdicmlkLWd5ckYLEg1QdWJsaXNoZWRQYWdlIh9odHRwczovL3RhbnRlay5jb20vMjAyMC8xODIvdDIvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICQz9GOjwoM
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[tantek] which makes me wonder if Bridgy never implemented reacji on reviews
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[tantek] even though they pretty much look like comments
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sknebel yeah, they're different in the API
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[tantek] also noticed my auto-url-string expander doesn't distinguish, at least I can fix that part
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[snarfed] tantek interesting! right, bridgy doesn't currently support reactions to PR reviews. it's not in the docs in the list of things you can publish: https://brid.gy/about#publish-types
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[snarfed] iirc sknebel's right, the API is different. hope the error message (bottom of log and returned in the HTTP 400 response body) helped. definitely feel free to file a feature request, it's a good one!
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[snarfed] also tantek pixelfed hello tag sounds like interesting precedent for the private person tags you brainstormed over the weekend!
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dansup oh?
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[snarfed] dansup https://indieweb.org/2020/West/tag-youre-it , search for "cautiously," rest from there
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[tantek] Thanks snarfed! Filed: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/955
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Loqi [tantek] #955 Bridgy Publish: Support reacji to pull request reviews
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jacky [snarfed]++ because I could _not_ find it lol
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dansup interesting, thanks for sharing that
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[tantek] dansup, it was a really fascinating conversation and session, definitely check out the video
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