GWGI'm trying to figure out if there is a possibility a webmention would be received where the source was an h-card, because the new webmention code doesn't account for that
aaronpkGWG: Instead of trying to anticipate all possible combinations, handle the most common 80% and write some sort of fallback display for the remaining 20%
ZegnatThe link to aaronparecki.com is still in my h-card, if you care to check the source. Although I guess it isn’t technically part of the h-card as it does not have a class.
ZegnatThat said, I am not sure what there is to worry about? 99% of the time if the link was on an h-card, it will not be an in-reply-to property. So you can either show it as a plain mention, or maybe not show it at all?
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[tantek]really hope no parser has to have *any* special rules for any specific domain / path. those ought to be kept open as issues to resolve one way or another
@1Br0wn↩️ Oh dear. My friendly WordPress admin installed the micropub plugin, and I added the “rel=me” link there, and to the blog on Twitter. Now I get (from indieauth): "Twitter login no longer works due to a change on their website" (twitter.com/_/status/1283093465761447936)
[chrisaldrich]GWG, on the h-card webmention question, I'm pretty sure that the reply context of Post Kinds when it includes an author, author url (homepage generally), and avatar doesn't send a homepage webmention does it?
[chrisaldrich]It would be nice if it did so that if I'm posting, for example, a read of a NYTimes article, I could include the authors actual website (instead of their NYT profile info) and they'd get a homepage webmention that I'd read their article. (Then they'd also have the option to assign that webmention to their (possibly hidden) PESOS copy on their own website.
[tantek]rel=me is also part of the mental shift of thinking of your own site as the center of your stuff, and thus encouraging every other profile to link to it, even if for only human browsing & discovery. in some ways that's even more important / powerful than any specific machine-readable use-case
aaronpkif on the other hand silos all supported oauth 2 with unregistered clients, then it would be useful, but as it stands every silo requires the developer to register an oauth client and each API is slightly different, so they all have to be special-cased anyway
sknebelaaronpk: I think specific to the tweet the question is about the indieauth.com mechanism in WP Micropub. it in principle being possible doesn't help there that much
[tantek]snarfed, yes, and I'm disappointed, yet again, that Google has an NIH proposal in an area where there is an existing deployed standard with interop, and not even mentioned in their "Prior art" section.
sknebelit kinda reads like it's more openid connect extension? i.e. it pulls part of the flow into the browser, not replace it? (and a modification like that could very similarly apply to indieauth - although we typically don't distrust the IDP that way?)
aaronpkthe goal is clearly to be used with the large existing IdPs, and doesn't really have anything to do with actual federated identity the way we think about it
aaronpkif we wanted this to work with indieauth, the browser API would need to not require the RP to specify the provider since the browser would already know about it
@iamhirusi ↩️ Does the See Also section on the Webmention page (https://indieweb.org/Webmention#See_Also) work for now? I think it could use a separate section but want to know what you think. (twitter.com/_/status/1282916985169252352)
@bixtweets Hm. Something about the permalink change prevented a webmention from Microblog from showing up in WordPress. (twitter.com/_/status/1282918065462632449)
petermolnar define "link" - as a u-url `a` element or some other way?
[KevinMarks] You can also link to organisations from an h-card, so if that org has an h-entry on their page,maybe
@1Br0wn ↩️ Oh dear. My friendly WordPress admin installed the micropub plugin, and I added the “rel=me” link there, and to the blog on Twitter. Now I get (from indieauth): "Twitter login no longer works due to a change on their website" (twitter.com/_/status/1283093465761447936)
[chrisaldrich] GWG, on the h-card webmention question, I'm pretty sure that the reply context of Post Kinds when it includes an author, author url (homepage generally), and avatar doesn't send a homepage webmention does it?
[tantek] rel=me is also part of the mental shift of thinking of your own site as the center of your stuff, and thus encouraging every other profile to link to it, even if for only human browsing & discovery. in some ways that's even more important / powerful than any specific machine-readable use-case
[snarfed] he's looked at written about some of the alternatives, like that. https://code.sgo.to/
jacky oh this is interesting of a way to describe OIDC https://code.sgo.to/2020/06/02/openid-connect.html