#dev 2020-07-24
2020-07-24 UTC
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Summer[m] Morning, good people!
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# Summer[m] Wondering what a Micropub server expects in the mp-syndicate-to query parameter: the syndication target's uid or name? I figure it's the uid but worth checking. Can't seem to find anything in the spec on this.
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# Summer[m] OK, found it here: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/REC-micropub-20170523/#new-note
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[KevinMarks] today in js being helpful - if I forget to set a date, nunjucks will happily coerce undefined into current time on the server, which is in UTC, but my client is in BST. yay
# [KevinMarks] I didn't notice this originally because it was winter and the client was in GMT. timezones--
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nunjucks" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "nunjucks is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@jgmac1106 For the #dailychallenges try to do the reply post so they link together. You may also want to consider using a tag or category to make them easier to sort. You can have a ton of fun teaching with webmentions. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1Ui0MP) (twitter.com/_/status/1286645491124633601)
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# [KevinMarks] Nunjucks is smart about defaults for missing fields in templates, which is usually what you want. I think it turns undefined into ""
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[manton] We released the first beta of Sunlit 3.0 today. It’s a photo-blogging iOS app designed around Micro.blog, but it can also post to WordPress and Micropub blogs. Open source! Details and short video of the posting interface here: https://www.manton.org/2020/07/24/sunlit-beta-and.html
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[schmarty] manton: woo!!! Trying it out now
# [schmarty] Hahahahaha I am stuck at login because iOS gives the email keyboard so I can't put the ":" in https://
# [schmarty] Ok. The sign-in prompt says otherwise!
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# [manton] [Murray] It’s working here, but I think I did encode it wrong… Do you mind seeing if this loads? https://www.manton.org/uploads/2020/526e822666.mov
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# [KevinMarks] Can you do mp4 rather than mov?
# [KevinMarks] Due to bad decisions by Phil Schiller and Apple Legal, the mov file format is not widely supported
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[jeremycherfas] Hmmm. I wonder whether Sunlit 3.0 will post to WithKnown. I have my doubts.
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# [michael_lewis] Hello again. Moving this to dev as it may be a bit more devvy. Thanks for all the submissions to searchmysite.net and feedback.
# [michael_lewis] I've had a few evenings this week to make a few changes based on submissions so far. The main one, as per [jgmac1106] suggestion, is to implement selective filtering, based either on the path (e.g. /search/?query=) or on the page type (currently derived from meta property="og:type" and article data-post-type=). (This is currently just read-only in Manage for now but I'll aim to make editable one night next week.)
# [michael_lewis] I did implement a way of defining custom page types with xpath expressions, but that wouldn't have actually helped that much - some sites have nothing at all in either the HTML or path to differentiate the microblog posts from the longform posts. I could add the custom page types again if there is interest though, because it could be a powerful feature, e.g. combined with the query filters in the API.
# [michael_lewis] Anyway, the index is slightly cleaner looking now, and where the microblog posts can't be filtered out the relevancy tuning should handle once more longform content arrives.
# [michael_lewis] Interesting to see also that, even with a small number of sites, there is a good amount of cross-linking, so when I finish off the PageRank equivalent that could actually make a useful difference.
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swentel [manton], if you need some inspiration, https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-ios/blob/master/IndieAuth/IndieAuth.swift#L119
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# [KevinMarks] [michael_lewis] have you looked at the post types discovery page on the wiki?
# [michael_lewis] [KevinMarks] Thanks for the tip. I hadn't seen https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery, and it sounds good and could be useful. I've added to my todo list, although I'm still focussing on trying to get the basics right at the moment to be honest.
# [michael_lewis] [tantek] I'd have liked to not even ask for email at all because then (i) I'd have held zero information that could be considered personal, and (ii) the submission process via IndieAuth would literally be a super simple box where you enter your home page and that's it. But I decided to add it to have some way of telling people their listing is about to expire in a year's time (haven't decided exactly what to do on expiry time, but
# [michael_lewis] probably just stop indexing unless the listing is renewed, to hopefully keep it to actively updated sites). But yes, will think about making it optional. As you say, since it's not validated it might as well be.
# [KevinMarks] Interesting thread https://twitter.com/terronk/status/1286774560105193473?s=20
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@terronk * Low code is infinitely more interesting than no code. The most popular programming language in the world is Excel. We are massively underestimating the number of people who can low-code in their area of expertise. The barriers to entry for coding are lowering every day. (twitter.com/_/status/1286774560105193473)
