#dev 2020-07-26

2020-07-26 UTC
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aaronpk so implementing draft scope was super easy and also so cool
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GWG If you have the 'create' scope, is it assumed you can create pages or just posts?
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aaronpk both for me since the internal difference is just the URL
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GWG Just looking at the scope descriptions
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GWG Who uses undelete as a scope? I don't see anyone. Wouldn't that move it to brainstorming?
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aaronpk sure
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craftyphotons Was super inspired by today's session and bootstrapped my site backend from zero to a functioning /micropub?q=config endpoint complete with an oauth provider! https://github.com/craftyphotons/singulus
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craftyphotons Still impressed with how quickly one can get up and running on Rails with more advanced things like OAuth
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@dshanske IndieAuth 3.5.0 for WordPress Released: https://di5.us/b/xB (twitter.com/_/status/1287205885551489025)
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[tantek] aaronpk++ congrats on the move! that's a pretty big deal!
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[tantek] reviewed the intro meta bits and they all look good!
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[tantek] I see two Conformance sections though. a "2. Conformance" and right after a "Conformance" heading
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[tantek] both defining "The key words "… however with different ordered lists! not even sure how that is possible
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[tantek] reskimming the spec, gosh this is a one of the better written W3C specs
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[tantek] what is post-status
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Loqi post status is anything from a super simple draft/published status to a super complicated editorial workflow that handles everything from idea to editorial approval to deleted status https://indieweb.org/post_status
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[tantek] hmm, per you earlier point aaronpk, perhaps we should alter that use of "simple". I'll try something... but first ...
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[tantek] https://github.com/indieweb/Micropub/pull/1 😄
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aaronpk Good catch
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[tantek] I have another one coming but I figured that one should come first on its own 🙂
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[tantek] Ironically I started the second one first, then got the "It looks like this is your first time opening a pull request in this project! Be sure to review the contributing guidelines and code of conduct." notice, clicked the links and was like hey, that's not right 🙂
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[tantek] I know I know I actually clicked the links instead of dismissing the pop-up. I realize that's not typical for users
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[tantek] alright second pull filed. aaronpk, hoping to make up for being so argumentative in #microformats 🙂
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GWG [tantek]: I call it passion
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[tantek] thanks GWG, your perspective is helpful, as always
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GWG I like spirited debate also
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GWG I got several items today I wanted to discuss
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[tantek] GWG, I recall you being pretty passionate about post-status
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[tantek] I'm curious if you ever thought about calling it publish-status
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GWG [tantek]: No, only because I am using the WordPress term post status
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[tantek] a-ha re-using the term from an existing vocabulary. that's a good starting point
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GWG I have to do some homework
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GWG Look at prior art in EXIF for the media endpoint return and look at location tagging interfaces for the query for location
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GWG I spent a lot of time with EXIF and time-stamping
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[tantek] GWG, I don't think anything about post-status is "super simple"
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GWG [tantek]: Agreed, but since I have something that does that, I just chose to use it
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[tantek] wow there's lots in those screenshots
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[tantek] GWG, the deleted aspect is independent of status IMO
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GWG Correct.
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[tantek] hmm I feel like a flow chart could be useful for post-status
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GWG That I do agree with
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[tantek] GWG, I'm having trouble understanding the flow across all the screenshots
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[tantek] so I may attempt something
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[tantek] and may need your review
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GWG Happy to help
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[tantek] what is post status
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Loqi post status is information about various stages that a post can be in, from draft to published, and editorial workflow stages in between, like awaiting editorial approval, as well as varying visibility and whether a post is explicitly scheduled for publication https://indieweb.org/post_status
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[tantek] GWG ^ review please
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craftyphotons aaronpk: is there a preferred precedence order if someone were to send both an h and some props, as well as action=delete and a url to a micropub endpoint?
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craftyphotons (simultaneously I mean)
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[tantek] GWG, it seems to me that "post status" the way WordPress treats it also overlaps a bit with how GitHub treats pull requests, e.g. asking for reviews, people approving etc.
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GWG [tantek]: That isn't Core though.
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GWG Oh,, you mean pending review, not the custom statuses.
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[tantek] correct
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[tantek] so if there's pending review, shouldn't there also be "reviewed" (but not published?)
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[tantek] or is it implied that after something is reviewed then it is automatically published?
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GWG https://wordpress.org/support/article/post-status/
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GWG Looking at the low level defaults
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GWG [tantek]: So yes. It is awaiting someone with public capability to publish
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GWG Whereas draft is 'incomplete'
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[tantek] GWG, couldn't "pending review" also be used to get someone to proofread a post before you publish it? that is, the proofreader is not going to publish it, but may edit it and then hand it back to you to verify that the edits they made were correct
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GWG [tantek]: Yes
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GWG Pending isn't as useful on single user sites, which is what we talk about the most in the Indieweb community, which is probably why editor workflows haven't come up as much
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[tantek] it's totally useful for folks that know they make lots of typos and want a friend to check their posts for them (and maybe even fix typos for them!)
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prologic Hey all. Just curious. Anyone willing to help me out with some UI/UX / CSS work on https://twtxt.net/ ? I _could_ probably even maybe pay you a bit for your effort if you want. But any help would be appreciative as while lots of people are liking what I'm doing with twtxt.net I think it could look/feel better and I suck at UI/UX :)
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GWG Would offer, but I also am not good at UI
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prologic heh makes two of us :)
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GWG Just adding EXIF thoughts to the media endpoint response.
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[tantek] gosh I'm still going through the Micropub pop-up notes.
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[tantek] y'all had quite a dense conversation!
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GWG [tantek]: And we have an IndieAuth session on the 8th
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] GWG, I think you identified that we have some number of backlog issues on microformats and vocabularies too
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GWG [tantek]: Yes...I proposed a session for that as well
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craftyphotons Hmm obviously needs some refactoring now but I think I've gotten the decision tree down for my micropub POST endpoint https://gist.github.com/craftyphotons/f302e88cbef296ebfa3a532649d9bf80
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prologic Well if anyone wants to help me or take up my offer
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prologic You know how to fin dme :)
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jamietanna[m] GWG I've been using undelete as a scope within my Micropub endpoint (to undelete, but also to "q=source" on deleted posts) and I know micropublish.net requests the scope there too
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@RozenMD Just added WebMentions to my site. Thanks to @swyx's post (https://www.swyx.io/writing/clientside-webmentions/) for inspiration! (twitter.com/_/status/1287361620809637888)
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GWG jamietanna[m]: Can you add that to /scope?
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jamietanna[m] Will do!
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GWG swentel: Did you read the notes from the session?
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swentel GWG, link?
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2020/Pop-ups/Micropub
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GWG There's even a video
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swentel that's a lot of thoughts there
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GWG swentel: Yuo
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GWG Yup
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GWG Lots of consensus building
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GWG And commitment to standardize some things
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GWG swentel: Any you want to try to add to Drupal/Indigenous?
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GWG We can move forward on a lot of stability
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swentel hmm not immediately in Drupal afaics, I'm happy with the current features
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swentel same for Indigenous too to be honest
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swentel but will look again next week
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GWG swentel: Would you switch the category filter from search to filter?
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swentel currently finishing mastodon/pixelfed/pleroma integration
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swentel hmm which category filter is that?
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GWG There was also a standard set of query for post list filters agreed on
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/5
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #5 Stable: Query for Category/Tag List
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swentel oh
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GWG Instead of q=category and search=indie, it would be filter=indie
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swentel hmm well, I don't go to the server when doing an autocomplete in the server
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swentel I fetch everything and cache it
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GWG So not an issue
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swentel don't think so
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GWG Do you support limit as a query parameter?
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swentel should maybe check if there's an expires header in the response?
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swentel hmmm don't think so
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swentel let me check
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GWG Also, how often do you refresh syndication targets?
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GWG Most of the ideas are enhancements that are backward compatible
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GWG I liked the enhancement to querying syndication targets that would give you specific ones for a post type.
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swentel syndication targets are cached, unless you specifically sync your account
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swentel categories are fetched from server if there's a connection
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swentel and then cached
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swentel so it still works offline too
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aaronpk the idea is to provide different syndication buttons depending on the post type, you could still cache it
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GWG aaronpk: So you could query all types you support and cache
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aaronpk yes exactly
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GWG Or you could have a post type property in the response as well
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GWG In addition to checked
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GWG But that is getting too complicated
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GWG aaronpk: Can stable extensions to Micropub be in the new specification location?
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aaronpk good question. i suppose since it's a living standard we could move them there
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GWG Just makes it easier to keep track
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GWG This is specifically slug, source, and category
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GWG If we wait a week or two to finish the stuff we agreed to implement yesterday...we could have a good new release.
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GWG And all the ideas are backward compatible
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GWG aaronpk: Also, will Micropub.net Link to the Living Standard
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aaronpk ah i forgot to update that one
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aaronpk done
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GWG That's where I go to remember the URL
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aaronpk TIL `php -a` is an interactive php shell
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[schmarty] It's almost as good as phpsh!
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aaronpk nice...now my website deletes media from the media endpoint once it's been added to a post
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[schmarty] 🎉
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aaronpk next up: http://jakiestfu.github.io/Mention.js/
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aaronpk I can't tell if typeahead+bloodhound is still the best option for this
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aaronpk No commits since 2015
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aaronpk I just really want typeahead in quill
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swentel for? tags, or mentions?
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aaronpk Mentions
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[KevinMarks] Would awesomplete work for that?
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aaronpk i don't think so
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aaronpk autocomplete != typeahead
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aaronpk also it needs to be able to query a remote data source, not have the entire dataset rendered into the page
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[KevinMarks] You can make it do that as there's a hook to replace the list, but it might be more work than a specialised list.
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aaronpk typeahead isn't trying to match a value in a list, it needs to trigger when you type an @ in the text area, then provide suggestions starting with the text after the @
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[tantek] I feel current @-complete UIs are so horribly awkward, especially if there is existing text immediately after the @
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[tantek] Slack is pretty crappy about this, especially when there are multiple matches and rather than picking the first one it puts a "?" on the link which is useless
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[tantek] Twitter is crappy about this because they refuse to @-complete single character handles 😛
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[tantek] Facebook is crap about this because it so often only shows @-complete suggestions of people I do not want to mention and fails to actually list the people I want to mention (especially with "common" US names like David and Sarah etc.)
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aaronpk thankfully indieweb sites have the opportunity to be a lot smarter about who to suggest!
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[tantek] I'm happy to find ways to break anyone's "clever" @-complete heuristics
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[tantek] the silos are crap yes. indieweb can do much better
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[tantek] one would think
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[tw2113] one could/would think that it would all prioritize usernames that you follow/subscribe to/etc in some way
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aaronpk i'm making mine prioritize people i've interacted with whether or not i follow them
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[tantek] that's a good start
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[tantek] oh you know who is good at this
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[tantek] Instagram actually does an incredibly impressive job with lots of use of context
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superkuh instagram doesn't exist anymore.
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk true
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[tantek] did I miss a site-death?
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aaronpk it's dead to me
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[tantek] lol
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[tw2113] i cry every time i scroll or visit stories, mostly because there's ads seemingly every 3 items
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[tantek] aaronpk I just saw your recent video post there!
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[tantek] aaronpk I just saw your recent video post there!
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[tantek] I've gotten very good at recognizing/swiping past the stories ads
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aaronpk i only posted that because i had to ;-) (contracts)
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superkuh After Facebook bought it it stopped existing. Now it is a full web-app thing with no content that displays without JS, and even with a ES6 compatible JS. It requires a "modern" browser.
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[tw2113] aaronpk++ for meating instaobligations
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[tw2113] damn, typo'd that, meeting*
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[tantek] superkuh, quite the opposite, since FB bought it they developed at mobile web app where before none existed
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[tantek] a* mobile web app