#dev 2020-08-19

2020-08-19 UTC
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lahacker i should be able to squeeze that into a later chapter ;)
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lahacker just another note -- it really applies to quotations and annotations that have completely dissappeared from the original post
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Loqi agreed.
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GWG [snarfed]: Do you have any outstanding webmention issues that I can document for the merge? We've gotten closer
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[snarfed] GWG: document?
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[snarfed] just the merge itself 😎 glad to hear it’s getting closer!
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GWG [snarfed]: The mf2 code.. response type discovery is not yet.
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GWG I'll likely start moving issues as we get to the code that reflects it
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[tb] Ahhh finally I've gotten iA Writer to post to my fledgling Micropub server
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[tb] I think it was me being too strict about scopes
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jacky strict or bust!
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[tantek] Webmention senders should avoid flooding receivers <-- do we have that guidance in the spec somewhere?
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[tantek] (moving here from #indieweb
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[tantek] )
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[tantek] literally why Medium disabled Pingback, because they were getting flooded by WordPress(.com) in particular
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GWG [tantek]: I would be curious to hear from other implementers
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[tantek] [fluffy] yes receivers MUST handle duplicates, senders may send duplicates (but shouldn't flood)
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[snarfed] avoid flooding, sure but err on the side of sending one or two extra instead of possibly missing any
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[tantek] snarfed agreed
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GWG I added some code last year that disables sending pings for img/video/audio tags for example..not that anyone complained. But few consumed when I asked
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[snarfed] bridgy is a great example here. many static sites have gone through periods where they resent all of their wms on every rebuild, including sending a wm to bridgy publish for every single post, every single rebuild. often hundreds or thousands per rebuild, per site
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[snarfed] and still i’d rather they do that than do anything else complicated that possibly risk missing wms
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[fluffy] I see webmention duplication handling as similar to the FCC Part 15 rules: don’t send out excess interference, but also don’t break if you receive unexpected interference.
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[snarfed] right! idempotence is a key expectation for webmentions. not always easy, but very important, since _anyone_ can send a wm, at any time. not just the source site
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[fluffy] yeah, I *might* be sending webmentions on behalf of a couple of large forums 😉
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[fluffy] (Pushl does everything it can to avoid sending duplicates though)
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[snarfed] and you actually do want to resend wms whenever you change a post
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[snarfed] but just for that post
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[fluffy] right, at present I only send updates if the target URL list changes (and only to the URLs which got added or removed), but it’s been on my list for a while to also resend all pings if the page content changes.
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[fluffy] which has an obvious implication on the first thing as well
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[snarfed] bridgy even does that itself when a silo response (eg reply text) gets changed
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[fluffy] like, if a link changes, that implies that content changed as well, so really I want to always send updates to *all* listed URLs as well as URLs which were listed on the previous update but aren’t now
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[fluffy] It isn’t hard to implement, but there’s a bunch of tech debt on Pushl that I want to address and it’s been working Good Enough for now.
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jacky random: I came across https://aaronparecki.com/follow?path=articles again
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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jacky and this flow makes me wonder if a social reader should be receptive to rel=subscribe
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aaronpk oh yea i keep meaning to get rid of that
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jacky lolol
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jacky well
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aaronpk well maybe not completely get rid of
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jacky it's one of the few examples of a self-hosted 'intent' page
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aaronpk but remove the "follow" button from my footer
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jacky ah gotcha
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jacky I kept forgetting how to get to it
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aaronpk it's an interesting experiment
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aaronpk but i'm not sure it's the best approach, and i feel like it's too prominent on my site right now
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jacky hmm
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aaronpk what i've got on https://aaronparecki.com/aaronpk is more useful right now
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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jacky hmm gotcha
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[tantek] why that path aaronpk?
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[tantek] instead of say /follow
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aaronpk that's my mastodon profile URL for mastodon stuff
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jacky it's a mastodon-esque thing
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jacky yeah
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[tantek] oh goodness sakes
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aaronpk i'm just saying what I put there is more useful than what I have on my /follow page
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[tantek] is that like "aaronparecki.com/aaronpk" is the transposition of aaronpk@aaronpparecki.com ?
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aaronpk i forget the exact details but yeah
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[tantek] I keep forgetting that it's an @-@
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aaronpk i can't remember if it has to be domain/username or not
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jacky I was just looking to see if you exposed a .well-known thing
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aaronpk but IIRC it couldn't be my home page
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[tantek] can we call those at-ats so we confuse them with Star Wars?
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jacky because it can send the proper stuff for a profile thing IIRC
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jacky that said
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jacky I'm def looking for examples of these pages
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jacky agh now I'm in /follow and thinking again about the semantics of having follow posts
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swentel Where does the 'Proceed to Follow' redirect to on that AP page, simply to the instance?
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Loqi swentel: jacky left you a message 1 week ago: do you plan to only release Indigineous in the Play Store? I was wondering about updates in F-Droid; haven't seen anything in three months
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swentel jacky, been a while since a release anyway :)
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swentel but 0.63 is on F-droid
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swentel 0.64 on the way
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jacky oooh
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jacky uhmm lemme see
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jacky here: https://playvicious.social/authorize_interaction?uri=aaronpk@aaronparecki.com
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swentel interesting
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swentel (working on AP for Drupal finally)
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swentel so this is interesting feature
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jacky yup
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jacky now I'm actually doubly curious
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swentel wondering if other AP projects handle this the same of course .. :)
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jacky I replaced the e-mail URI with https://aaronparecki.com/2020/08/16/13/hotsauce and it took me a preview of aaron's post from within mastodon
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] No matter how much I read up on emulsifiers I seem to be unable to grasp how they work, and it's really killing my ability to make this hot sauce work reliably
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jacky this is interesting prior art / design for a social reader tbh
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jacky swentel: I think Pixelfed might cc: dansup
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jacky I don't know about Pleroma
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swentel hmm I think I killed my pleroma account, but will test again at some point :)
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swentel should probably keep it anyway in case something doesn't work in indigenous
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[tantek] is there a primary repo for Indigenous?
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jacky I don't think so
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swentel no, https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-{platform} (android, ios, desktop)
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swentel might merge it one day, but that's when I get a new version of iOS ready
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@iamskok @simonhearne how have you managed to configure http://brid.gy with brotli compression on your blog? https://simonhearne.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1296232773833969665)
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