#dev 2020-08-31

2020-08-31 UTC
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@JesperBylund ↩️ Sounds lovely. I really like the indieweb trend with /now and webmentions. Feels retro, but also personal, and adds something to the network. (twitter.com/_/status/1300305338122547200)
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hirusi[m] [Zegnat]: thanks! :)
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hirusi[m] After 5 whole months of slow-and-frustrating-work (lol), I'm finally onboard the IndieWeb train! https://rusingh.com/micro/
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[jeremycherfas] !tell [manton] [Zegnat] I adjusted the template to include `read-of` and `read-status`. The parsed mf2 looks OK to me but I would be very grateful if you would take a quick look. Thanks.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tb] Uh oh I have some debugging to do on my IndieAuth server today — it's returning an `unsupported_response_type` error to IndieLogin.com for some reason
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[tb] Hrm I think my coercion of `response_type=id` requests to `code` under the hood isn't working as intended
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GWG I'm still waiting for the spec revision for that
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GWG Only because I have other things
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jeremycherfas django people, wanna help Phil Gyford? https://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2020/08/30/weeknotes/
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aaronpk hey cool github put rel=me on the twitter link on your profile
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[tb] Part of my really wants to shave the yak more on this now that I've grafted IndieAuth onto Doorkeeper and just extract it all into an IndieAuth-only engine for Rails
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[tb] me*
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[tb] You might see a bunch of requests from my dev site on IndieLogin.com this morning aaronpk
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aaronpk i don't really look at it :)
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[tb] Ah yay I fixed it
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[tb] Was a stupid copy paste error when I was redoing my authorization views for the vanilla OAuth2 provider I have alongside my IndieAuth provider — I copied the updated views to the IndieAuth ones and forgot to change the post URL on them to the IndieAuth one, so they were all hitting my POST /oauth2/authorize endpoint haha
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[tb] Oh btw [jgarber] I wrote a full endpoint discovery thing for webmentions this weekend (including an automated spec suite against all the discovery tests from webmention.rocks) and used your gem again https://github.com/craftyphotons/singulus/blob/main/app/services/discover_webmention_endpoint.rb
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[manton] [jeremycherfas] Looks good. 👍
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[manton] I wonder if most read-of posts should also use p-uid for the ISBN (maybe as a hidden span) but that shouldn’t be required, and might be difficult to get widespread implementation since it will be a little fiddly.
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aaronpk i wouldn't overload uid like that
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aaronpk uid is meant to be the reference to the post
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[jeremycherfas] Am I wrong to use it on the link in the h-cite?
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[manton] [aaronpk] Hmm. I was just copying that from e.g. this post: https://gregorlove.com/2018/06/want-to-read-welcoming-the/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Want to read: Welcoming the Stranger: Justice, Compassion & Truth in the Immigration Debate by Matthew Soerens, Jenny Yang (ISBN 9780830845392)
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aaronpk oh i see
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aaronpk it's in the h-cite hmm
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aaronpk i missed that, thought you were talking about on thte h-entry review
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aaronpk only slightly strange thing about that is that there's no indication that it's an ISBN
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aaronpk according to http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite `uid` needs to be a URL or URI
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Test #IndieWeb : Parvenir à « POSSEr » un article vers Twitter
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aaronpk i guess this is the reason for URNs
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aaronpk "urn:isbn:9780830845392"
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[manton] Interesting.
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[schmarty] ⚱
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aaronpk lol [schmarty]
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[schmarty] i used to think that "URL" was a very silly term / word but years of web development practice normalized it for me.
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[schmarty] "urn" is still very silly to me 😂
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[jeremycherfas] I saw that URN on bookstore.org but thought it would be more useful to link to the book itself rather than give the isbn/urn
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aaronpk linking to the book sure, but "uid" provides a stable identifier for it
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[manton] Are there any other real-world examples that use p-uid? I don’t think I notice it very often.
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aaronpk there's some mention of it in /authorship
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[snarfed] bridgy puts silo post ids (etc) in it
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[tantek] it's a use-case, which URNs never actually interoperably solved
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[tantek] disconnect between admission of a real problem / use-case, and the leap to an unproven proposal (happens a lot in standards work)
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aaronpk isn't this a perfect use for them though?
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aaronpk there isn't a real URL for an ISBN, but ISBNs exist in a single ISBN namespace
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aaronpk so if you want to find matching h-cites of a matching ISBN, you can't use the `url` property for that since what people actually link to for a given ISBN isn't consistent
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[jeremycherfas] Sorry, bookshop.org
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[jeremycherfas] And though it provides `EAN/UPC` That isn’t linked to anything. If you search for the number though, Amazon.com is generally the top hit. I prefer not to link directly to Amazon, so I provide and affiliate link to bookshop.org
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jacky yup
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jacky URNs could also be used to anchor to Web3-y stuff (ssb URLs, dat links etc)
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jacky a URN could be more effective than leaning on something like a http-to-$protocol hub too
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[manton] The “don’t just link to Amazon” problem is why I ended up creating special book URLs on Micro.blog, like this: https://micro.blog/books/9781501173219
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[manton] They have no branding or any links to Micro.blog, so they are hopefully more useful to link to from any blog.
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jmac [manton]: I didn't know about that! Cool
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jmac WorldCat++
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Loqi WorldCat has 1 karma over the last year
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[jeremycherfas] That’s also a good option.
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jacky ooh nice
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jacky this is something I feel like I was needing to do on my own site if I ever did link to books
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jacky tbf, if there was some sort of thing that I could hit with a ISBN and a mf2 property, it'd update my post with the proper mf2 for a post, I'd be super interested in that
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@dealmeida A simple explanation of IndieAuth https://blog.taoetc.org/how_indieauth_works/index.html (twitter.com/_/status/1300525232210366465)
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[tb] Yay I think all of my test webmentions that I just sent out to the discovery tests on webmention.rocks worked
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[jgarber] [tb] Nice! Glad to see that gem getting some use. Let me know if you’ve got any ideas or feedback.
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[jgarber] Will give your code a closer look later, too.
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[tb] [jgarber] Worked like a charm again! One thing I noticed was that it didn't seem to handle the case of a `<>; rel=webmention` value, which came from me coercing all the `<a>` and `<link>` `href`s into link header format so I could parse everything the same. Not sure though if RFC5988/8288 actually allow for that anyway though so it could just be me abusing it 🙂
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[jgarber] I suspect that’s invalid, but I’d have to double-check those specs.
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[tb] Yeah I just inject the target URL webmention into it in that case as according to the webmention spec so it works either way
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[tb] But I was like, why write my own separate relative URL logic for the `a` and `link` tags when the link header parser already does exactly what I need!