#dev 2020-10-01

2020-10-01 UTC
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lexly Have any here used a headless cms to publish static site content? I’m using Hugo on a Debian ARM box and have hacked together a publishing workflow with a web server and webhooks, but now maybe it’s time for something slightly more robust? I’ve been looking at Cockpit, and it seems like a decent choice?
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Zegnat I feel like we had some people playing with this …
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Zegnat What is contentful?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "contentful" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "contentful is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel we had a camp in their offices :D
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Zegnat Yeah, and I was pretty sure atleast the (co-)organiser had their website on that stack. But apparently never documented.
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Zegnat Also feel like some people were talking about using Drupal as a storage but rendering a static site infront? But also do not see that documented on /Drupal :(
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lexly Looks like Contentful is pretty amazing, but maybe not possible for a self-hosted install? I should have said that my site runs local on a raspberry pi, and I’d like to keep all I need there.
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sknebel yeah, contentful is just a service
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sknebel Zegnat: didn't you look at some headless thing too recently, but decide it wasn't for you?
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Zegnat I was looking into both Cockpit (https://getcockpit.com/) and Directus (https://directus.io/). I think I ended up putting the most time in Directus and that one ended up as not for me, as I was unable to change schemas in production (or something)
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Zegnat Do not offhand remember where I landed on Cockpit
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lexly I’ll look at Directus too. Thank you!
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lexly This makes me hopeful: https://tech.maweki.de/installing-cockpit-on-raspbian.html
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[Murray] I've used Directus in the past, as well as playing around with Cockpit and currently use Craft fully headless 🙂
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[Murray] I liked Directus but it felt like they were prioritising dev workflow over content workflow, which was great for initial setup but then just made actually using the thing slightly, shall we say, quirky
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[Murray] Cockpit feels like one of the closest experiences to Contentful whilst retaining control of your content, personally I think it's a really solid solution, but I've yet to find any CMS with a content workflow as smooth as Craft
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lexly That’s super helpful feedback, thank you [Murray].
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[Murray] Publishing on Craft to a static site is pretty simple if you have webhooks set up, as there's a (I believe first-class) plugin for triggering outgoing hooks. If you host on Netlify there's a third-party plugin which is incredibly easy
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[Murray] FYI in case you haven't come across it yet, https://headlesscms.org/ is a really useful resource for comparing. I remember Strapi was a contender for a while too form me, can't remember why I gave up on it though 😄
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[grantcodes] Yeah strapi looks pretty nice too
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[grantcodes] I guess I'm running a headless cms now. But I don't have a UI it's all micropub
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aaronpk Is that headless and footless? 🙃
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sknebel "API-first"
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petermolnar but is it serverless?
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petermolnar forgot the /s
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@LWJShow ⚠️ Starting in 90 Minutes ⚠️ Did you know that Webmentions let you pull tweets, other blogs, and other activity from around the web into your site? In this episode, @waterproofheart teaches us how to add it to a Next.js site! Details Here! ⬇️ https://buff.ly/3j7W90P (twitter.com/_/status/1311682424154320903)
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GWG How likely is it that Twitter will disable its oembed as Facebook did?
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[tw2113] it’d be hanging itself if it did, imho
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[tw2113] what else does it have to offer?
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jacky it wouldn't hbe
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jacky *wouldn't be
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jacky people will convert over to those Twitter-provided embeds
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jacky easily
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[tantek] ^
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GWG I just switched, because Tweets require javascript to see, to oembed for replies...sort of.
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[schmarty] i have a weird sense of doom about these oembed shutdowns
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petermolnar what is twitter provided embed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "twitter provided embed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "twitter provided embed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jamietanna !tell lexly I've used https://www.netlifycms.org/ for Hugo, but I'd recommend seing if you can get a Micropub endpoint running, because then you can use any of the Micropub clients :D
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar [schmarty]: that fate has been looking for a long while though, given oembed is an iframe in most cases.
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[schmarty] petermolnar: it's a good point! i don't actually like or use oembed because it is ultimately so weird.
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[schmarty] but i feel like it is widely used e.g. by wordpress sites and their announcement seemed very much like an afterthought.
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@lindakatcodes Learning about webmentions. :) https://next-netlify-webmention.com/post/demo-post-1 (twitter.com/_/status/1311718715453509634)
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@Bounews https://next-netlify-webmention.netlify.app/post/demo-post-1 (twitter.com/_/status/1311718548629319682)
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@LWJShow okay THIS is a great post https://next-netlify-webmention.com/post/demo-post-1 (we're still learning about Webmention!) (twitter.com/_/status/1311718539926016000)
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lexly thanks [jamietanna], I was just looking at the netlify CMS (and craft CMS and cockpit CMS too). What I'm realizing is that even simple CMS's are more than what I need today. Supporting even part of the micropub spec and using one of the many nifty clients (or writing my own) looks to be the best lightweight solution for my little pi server.
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Loqi lexly: jamietanna left you a message 13 minutes ago: I've used https://www.netlifycms.org/ for Hugo, but I'd recommend seing if you can get a Micropub endpoint running, because then you can use any of the Micropub clients :D
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@Bounews https://next-netlify-webmention.com/post/demo-post-1 (twitter.com/_/status/1311719157902213120)
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@jlengstorf we’re learning about Webmention on @LWJShow and we just built https://next-netlify-webmention.com/post/demo-post-1 how neat! (twitter.com/_/status/1311721151874310145)
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jamietanna that sounds great lexly - https://indieweb.org/nanopub may be an option :)
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[tantek] [manton] does micro.blog have a "Do Not Track" policy page akin to https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articles/213690167-Medium-s-Do-Not-Track-Policy ?
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jacky http://iconpark.bytedance.com/
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[manton] [tantek] No, just a privacy policy page. I hadn’t seen Medium’s DNT page… Seems like a good idea.
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[tantek] I figure if Medium can brag about such things, micro.blog ought to as well 🙂
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@nb_leila Day 16 of #100DaysOfCode Attended a great episode of Learn with @jlengstorf: Webmention + Next.js with @waterproofheart Attended @eggheadio Talks by @thisismahmoud_ and @Mappletons Continued with #PHP. Form validation in PHP is really easy, and you can use the ternary operation! (twitter.com/_/status/1311799881858715654)
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lahacker here goes nothin'; https://lahacker.net/IndieWeb#posse-syndication
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lahacker i figured if i needed to spawn a virtual screen to spawn a headless browser then i should be able to just send clicks to x,y coordinates
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lahacker alice's post is POSSE'd to twitter upon every rerun of the notebook; in implementing bob's reply i finally understand the design of u-syndication
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lahacker we'll see how long alice, bob and carol test twitter accounts stay active :)
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