#dev 2020-09-30

2020-09-30 UTC
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@ArtiChmaro
Interesting W3C standard (recommendation state) that lets you send/receive notifications about any URL. Perfect fit for building open platforms https://daily-dev-tips.com/posts/goodbye-comments-welcome-webmentions-%F0%9F%99%8B%F0%9F%8F%BC%E2%80%8D%E2%99%82%EF%B8%8F/
(twitter.com/_/status/1311191870786203648)
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[manton]
We launched a bunch of Micro.blog improvements this week in a “2.0” update, and it also includes some recent Micropub and IndieAuth changes. Support for the Micropub “channels” proposal, IndieAuth “profile” responses, and other tweaks to the token endpoint based on recent discussions.
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[manton]
Plus a new feature to archive any web page that is bookmarked. The clients all use Micropub’s bookmark-of now when talking to Micro.blog.
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aaronpk
[manton]++ wow awesome!
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Loqi
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[snarfed]
maton++
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Loqi
maton has 1 karma over the last year
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[snarfed]
argh manton++
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Loqi
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[tantek]
manton++ woohoo!
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Loqi
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[snarfed]
hey [manton], on a related note, how’s webmention interop with external sites coming along?
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[fluffy]
congrats manton++
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Loqi
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[manton]
[snarfed] No changes recently… In theory everything should be working well. Every once in a while I hear from someone who doesn’t see webmentions on their site, but not sure if that’s a Micro.blog bug or something else.
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[snarfed]
oh! that’s great news! sounds like we can drop the caveat on https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Custom_domain_silos then?
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[snarfed]
(“The one caveat is webmentions to/from external sites. As of 2019-02-01, they’re still in progress, particularly sending outbound webmentions from original posts.“)
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Loqi
[EdwardHinkle] #75 Adding support for cross-site replies
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[manton]
[snarfed] Reviewing that… Yes, I think that disclaimer is out of date now. The only limitation I’m aware of is that Micro.blog still doesn’t support Bridgy because Micro.blog doesn’t have a way to show Twitter/Instagram users in the timeline.
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[snarfed]
great news! feel free to remove that disclaimer
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[snarfed]
re bridgy, interesting. bridgy tries hard not to be a “normal” webmention sender and not need any special cased support. do you mean that you want to special case it for silo users?
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[manton]
Yeah, the problem is everything in Micro.blog has a “username”. For incoming Webmentions, the username is the domain name, e.g. @manton.org instead of [manton]. But for Twitter users, using @twitter.com for everyone wouldn’t really make sense. So I have that disabled until I have a better solution.
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[snarfed]
ahhh i see
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[snarfed]
the naive approach is to special case twitter and IG and include the first element after the path. but i’m sure you’ve thought about it much more deeply. lmk if i can help!
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[manton]
Thanks! That is definitely one possibility. It’s a bit of a can of worms… If I show the real Twitter username, what happens if someone replies in Micro.blog to that post, etc. The nice thing about using domain names for usernames is that there is no conflict with existing Micro.blog usernames.
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[snarfed]
oh yeah you’d definitely use the domain + username, eg @twitter.com/schnarfed, or something similar
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[snarfed]
i’ll back away slowly now though, i know you’ve thought all this through!
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aaronpk
yeah also a question of how to even reply on twitter at all
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aaronpk
probably the answer is the reply doesn't get sent to twitter, in which case it'd just go into a void
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[manton]
Yeah, that is partially a problem now with other sites… You can @-mention a domain name and it will attempt to send that reply via Webmention, but if the site doesn’t support Webmention, the reply goes into the avoid (but still appears on Micro.blog).
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aaronpk
it's a little more reasonable with websites because there's at least a chance it will work, and there's also a way for the person being mentioned to make it work if they wanted
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[manton]
Into the “void”, too. Of course, when more blogs support Webmention this problem goes away. 🙂
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[manton]
Right, exactly.
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[manton]
For Twitter, in theory I could forward things to Twitter via the Twitter API too, but it starts to make Micro.blog like a weird Twitter client which I’d like to avoid.
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aaronpk
like if people connected their twitter account?
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[manton]
Yeah. Some people connect their Twitter account already to cross-post their regular blog posts.
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aaronpk
ah gotcha
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@russss
Has anything changed with @hacktoberfest this year, because it seems like everyone is suddenly getting flooded with pointless, trivial pull requests and it's not even October yet.
(twitter.com/_/status/1311378451769823237)
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sknebel
apparently hacktoberfest recommends using an "invalid" or "spam" label (although I think you can delete PRs too?), in case that hits some of our repos
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[tw2113]
“Here’s a period where one was missed” and that’s the PR
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[tw2113]
and it counts cause it contributed
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[snarfed]
evidently they’re giving away swag if you file four PRs: https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/#rules
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sknebel
right. has been a thing for a long time
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sknebel
and every year it causes a wave of extremely low-effort or spam contributions in random repos
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sknebel
but normally only in october, not before :D
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sknebel
timezones. *magic*
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beko
meh. this is why we can't have nice things. I hate spam. ._.
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beko
provided a Gitlab instance for fun. Had to tighten it up because bots started to upload warez
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[tw2113]
i do enough GH contributions to code through my dayjob that I don’t feel much need to participate
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[tw2113]
let others get the swag
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swentel
hmm [snarfed], am I reading this right that you don't verify signatures in fed.bridgy in the inbox?
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swentel
(I'm pretty sure actually, but just want to verify :)
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swentel
[snarfed], oh, no problem, I'm actually struggling on to verify them on an inbox follow request in my drupal plugin
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swentel
but I'm going to skip that verification now as well
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swentel
since for now I'm only interested in follow -> do accept, or unfollow/delete
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[snarfed]
:thumbsup:
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swentel
getting close
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swentel
discovery worked immediately when searching my profile
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swentel
so I'm almost switching to my own domain
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swentel
just to figure out how we can migrate fed.brid.gy/realize.be
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swentel
(if necessary at all)
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[snarfed]
fascinating!
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swentel
mastodon has several AS extensions like alsoKnownAs and movedTo, so that might do the trick
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swentel
but, first things first, need to be able to send an accept now :)
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swentel
oh, I'm looking at the code locally :)
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swentel
that's where I suddenly saw that signature todo hehe
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swentel
and I was like, right, why all the hassle for a follow :)
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[snarfed]
hah yes!
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