#dev 2020-10-12
2020-10-12 UTC
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[KevinMarks] There are a few reasons we're less keen on JSON-LD than microformats, it's not just NIH
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[Denver_Prophit] [capjamesg] Here I am. So ideas on how to handle micropub w/o using github to store them?
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[capjamesg] I set up a separate API for the backend.
# [capjamesg] For storage, I put all my bookmarks and likes in the ‘posts’ folder.
# [capjamesg] You can exclude your posts using a gitignore file if you do not want them to be part of your repo.
# [capjamesg] Or you can set up a submodule to store them in another repo.
# [capjamesg] I’m on vacation so apologies if I’m slow to respond.
# [Denver_Prophit] [capjamesg] not using a git repo. I can do so with a local repo I suppose.
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# [Denver_Prophit] bridgy is supposed to send a webmention when I post a link from my site, right? Nothing shows up on https://webmention.io/ in my dashboard of a new webmention from twitter.
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KartikPrabhu bridgy sends a webmention when some responds to your tweet
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[chrisaldrich] What is Brid.gy?
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/brid.gy
# [Denver_Prophit] Kartik: https://twitter.com/DenverProphitJr/status/1230514964433113094 There is interaction on the tweet.
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@DenverProphitJr Using Science & Philosophy to Organize the #semanticweb. Based on research from @bill_slawski & @UofGlasgow Optimize your #contentcreation to write for the Web. https://denverprophit.us/technical-seo/using-science-philosophy-organize-semantic-web.html (twitter.com/_/status/1230514964433113094)
# KartikPrabhu [Denver_Prophit]: have you already told bridgy to look for responses on your twitter account? If so, it might be in the queue, and you can tell bridgy to re-poll your twitter
# [Denver_Prophit] Done both
# KartikPrabhu [Denver_Prophit]: what's your bridgy page?
# [Denver_Prophit] Kartik: https://brid.gy/twitter/DenverProphitJr
# KartikPrabhu [Denver_Prophit]: your webmention endpoint seems to be on webmention.herokuapp.com not webmention.io ?
# [Denver_Prophit] I had added both <link> to the herokuapp and webmention.io to experiement
# KartikPrabhu you seem to have both endpoints and bridgy is picking up the first one
# KartikPrabhu you can click on the "32 minutes ago" thing on your bridgy page to see what it is doing and where it is sending the webmention to
# [Denver_Prophit] logged onto the herokuapp. Shows 5 mentions. Problem must be on my site. Also, should I keep the xmlrpc pingback from webmention.io as herokuapp doesn't have it?
# KartikPrabhu hmm I have never used pingbacks so no idea about that
# [Denver_Prophit] ``` <link href="https://twitter.com/
{{site.socialmedia.twitter}}" rel="me"># [Denver_Prophit] <link rel="authorization_endpoint" href="https://indieauth.com/auth">
# [Denver_Prophit] <link href="https://facebook.com/
{{site.socialmedia.facebook}}" rel="me"># [Denver_Prophit] <link rel="token_endpoint" href="https://tokens.indieauth.com/token">
# [Denver_Prophit] I assume the pingback is specific to wordpress sites that aren't blocking xmlrpc.php. On my server, I use allow/deny and allow ONLY from/to specific domains to stop xmlrpc bruteforce attacks.
# [Denver_Prophit] Anyone else used this herokuapp service before in their blog?
# [Denver_Prophit] https://denverprophit.us/content-marketing/gaining-wisdom-knowledge-business.html has the embed script if you check debug sources. It's not rendering likes or reposts.
# [Denver_Prophit] https://webmention.herokuapp.com/user/sites/denverprophit.us it is collecting.
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jeremycherfas Yes, I use the Heroku app, but my blog is not entirely static.
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# [Denver_Prophit] I'm basing off of https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/blob/master/_layouts/post.html I think I see I am missing frontmatter vars to meet the conditionals. I will modify because I want all interactions within a `<section` inside the post article.
# [Denver_Prophit] Still unsure how to pull twitter likes into a bullet list so I can JSON+LD interaction counts. Can I pull their tweet comments, too?
# [Denver_Prophit] https://github.com/miklb/jekyll-indieweb/blob/master/_layouts/post.html#L25 conditional is looking for a new page on the post layout. I didn't think the herokuapp made them?
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# jeremycherfas I think Twitter likes come from bridgy, not Heroku webmention app.
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# [Denver_Prophit] [jeremycherfas] so, then, how to pull down into my post source?
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# jeremycherfas I don't know, I'm afraid, because I do not pull Twitter likes back to my main site. They go to sites using WordPress and Known that handle them through plugins.
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jamietanna[m] Schmarty I see you've set your pagination for your site to generate monthly archives - how did you manage to get that working on Hugo? (I've been trying to paginate per day, but I think doing per month should work too)
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[schmarty] jamietanna[m]: with great awkwardness and a little shame!
# [schmarty] each monthly archive page is a "page", like content/arch_monthly/2020-10.md. the only content is the date, like:
{"date": "2020-10-01 00:00:00"}# [schmarty] their permalinks are set to /:year/:month
# [schmarty] and the layout in layouts/arch_month/single.html pulls out all posts where the post year and month match the arch_month's entry.
# [schmarty] i have an automated process to add new content/arch_month/ entries periodically 😂
# [schmarty] i think this is one of the goofiest things about my hugo site.
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# jamietanna haha schmarty that's a great solution! I may see if I can get it working as a more automated way and if so, I'll definitely let you know!
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[tantek] aaronpk, does IndieAuth have an equivalent "privacy threat model" document to this? https://github.com/WICG/WebID/blob/master/privacy_threat_model.md and what would it take to write something up with similar analysis?
# lahacker what kind of features?
# lahacker what kind of syndication rules?
# lahacker like some hashtagged posts get tweeted out?
# lahacker i was just pondering how to post a video clip plus commentary
# lahacker i too feel the need
# [schmarty] jacky: yes! i've been thinking about "micropub utility" services a bit recently. like "oh i see you made a like-of post but it's just a URL. let me make a nice h-cite for you as a micropub edit"
# lahacker whoa.. that's an interesting pattern
# lahacker i had wondered if there was some merit to "piping
# lahacker "
# lahacker micropub requests
# [schmarty] i started down the path of a syndication-as-a-service using websub (detect new posts) and micropub queries (no need to publish syndicate-to URLs in the page like bridgy)
# [schmarty] but i got stuck in all the boilerplate for all the signing-in and feed-fetching and etc. and got tired before i got to anything interesting. 😂
# [schmarty] lahacker: piping is an interesting one! cleverdevil made a micropub proxy for doing scheduled posts that is pretty sweet.
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# [snarfed] your idea sounds a bit like https://snarfed.org/backfeed-without-code
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# [schmarty] snarfed++ ooh yeah! i was thinking more on the side of bridgy publish, but backfeed seems plausible too.
# jamietanna I'd be very pro-these piping mechanisms. Definitely things like "take a URL and give me some richer data, preferably MF2"
# lahacker i've personally begun down the path of using browser automation to interact with external services
# lahacker i should have all of the mechanisms in place to POSSE and backfeed replies
# lahacker that is POSSE replies and backfeed replies
# lahacker POSSE works as demonstrated
# lahacker this context obviously requires username and password so not good for a third-party micropub service
# [schmarty] snarfed: bridgy has so many services, i should have been more precise! bridgy++
# lahacker if you'll notice the two green squares in the screenshot in my link; that's my own web extension; i'm at the place where i can keep a single browser open in the background on the server; i can keep a single tab open to https://twitter.com/notifications/mentions and either from the Python side via a green thread or from the Javascript side via a web extension API..
# lahacker i've toyed with the idea for *years*, figure i'll have a go at it :)
# jamietanna snarfed yes I did - I had eventbrite-mf2.jvt.me and meetup-mf2.jvt.me
# lahacker and packed nicely in a library on PyPi's the dream
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# lahacker hmm.. would be nice if after you post you were taken to a screen where you can select the poster (or otherwise engage with the decision-making process of the micropub client)
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# [catvscode] Who wants to join my webring lmao https://codepen.io/catvscode/pen/YzWXoor
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# [tantek] aaronpk (and anyone else interested), re: IndieAuth & Privacy concerns, issue filed, suggestions and content welcome! https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/63