#dev 2020-11-30

2020-11-30 UTC
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@ansaridevv https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1333415848938115075)
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@Bounews Webmentions: Enabling Better Communication on the Internet https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet/ via @alistapart (twitter.com/_/status/1333446612249505792)
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[tantek] Has anyone heard of local-only web apps? I.e. web apps that literally *only* have local functionality, and do zero interaction with a server
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[tantek] perhaps there's another term for it.
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[tantek] tried searching and couldn't find one
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[tantek] example:
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[tantek] For anyone who has had to convert hypertext from a Google Doc (like text with links, lists etc.) to actual clean HTML (i.e. not the junk they export) for publishing on the web, you might find this site helpful: https://www.gdoctohtml.com/ (works 100% offline — tried with Firefox "Work Offline" mode, and AFAIK does not do any server XHR or anything)
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aaronpk i've written some mini tools like that. i haven't gone to the trouble of making them actually offline apps but the functionality is contained entirely within the browser, often they're just a static HTML file
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[schmarty] tantek: i really like https://squoosh.app/ for compressing images. designed to run purely in your browser (and supports offline)
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aaronpk usually they are converters
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aaronpk Quizlet flashcards to Moodle, Resolve EDL to YouTube timestamp converter, Base64 decoder, etc
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[tantek] these all sound quite useful
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aaronpk oh and my time stretching clock that does actually work offline
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aaronpk i don't know if i've heard a name for that pattern
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jacky offline-first is the term IIRC
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jacky to optimize solely first for lack of connectivity and then "hydrate" when available (if necessary)
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aaronpk in this case there is no connectivity required at all though
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aaronpk offline-only, not offline-first
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[schmarty] i call them "browser apps"
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jacky ^ that's a familiar term
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[tantek] "browser apps" doesn't sound any different than "web apps" at a high level
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[tantek] jacky, aaronpk's distinction is an important one for this category. as in *never hydrate* nor send *anything* to the server ever
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[tantek] it's also not "offline-only" because that makes it sound like something that *only* works when you're offline and may fail if you're actually online lol
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[Raphael_Luckom] offline only makes me think of when software came in cardboard boxes
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aaronpk ha
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[schmarty] in-browser gets used to describe features that don't phone out to a server. e.g. this face-analysis game: https://twitter.com/kcimc/status/1333491911722582017
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@kcimc if you’re feeling cautious about enabling your camera: all analysis happens in-browser, and all video stays on your computer. i am only logging high scores and errors to make sure it works for everyone. if you run into a bug please share 🙏 (twitter.com/_/status/1333491911722582017)
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[tantek] sounds borderline because it still is "logging high scores and errors", unless there's an obvious switch to turn that off?
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[tantek] or default off. this is why "local only" has an appeal IMO. the "only" makes it clear that it's claiming to *never* go out to the network again
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jacky I've been messing around with a desktop client (mainly for KDE) but it has some early stuff for indieweb bits
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jacky might aim to see if I can publish a crate for it sometime this week in time for the newsletter
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[tantek] nice
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@simonw Here's the latest Datasette Weekly(ish) newsletter: "Datasette Office Hours, Personal Data Warehouses, datasette-ripgrep, datasette-indieauth, Datasette Client for Observable and more" https://datasette.substack.com/p/datasette-office-hours-personal-data (twitter.com/_/status/1333546471258353664)
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