#dev 2020-12-14

2020-12-14 UTC
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@RubygemsN webmention (5.0.0): A Ruby gem for sending Webmention notifications. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1338288865887408128)
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ShadowKyogre Hi everyone. Is snarfed around to help with debugging attempt to implement fed.brid.gy support on my site? If not, have some post type questions I want to ask.
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gRegorLove Not sure they'll be around tonight, but you can leave messages with Loqi's !tell
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gRegorLove !tell ShadowKyogre like this
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove What are the post types questions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "post types questions" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "post types questions is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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ShadowKyogre So I have a bunch of articles that have some custom fields for them (like characters, locations in worldbuilding, etc). Was thinking how would those work if implemented edit support via Micropub?
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Loqi ShadowKyogre: gRegorLove left you a message 10 minutes ago: like this
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gRegorLove In ProcessWire specifically it would need to be something custom. I have a very barebones, in-progress Micropub plugin on my site, though I don't use it much.
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gRegorLove I was trying to think of a ProcessWire-y way to set up "recipes" so if certain fields were published, it would know to use template X, etc.
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gRegorLove But didn't make it far, honestly. The plugin is mostly custom code specific to my needs and my site setup. That's the tricky part with ProcessWire templates being able to have any number of fields
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gRegorLove Taking a step back, though, are you talking about setting up a Micropub client that would have those custom fields?
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GWG Didn't ben_thatmustbeme have that in his Micropub client?
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gRegorLove I'm talking about the other side of it, the Micropub server in ProcessWire understanding what to do with the different fields
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gRegorLove ProcessWire doesn't have an internal idea of "post type" like WordPress
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gRegorLove But that could be a starting point. Was it inkblot?
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gRegorLove What is inkblot
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Loqi InkBlot is an open source blogging platform currently under development by ben.thatmustbe.me https://indieweb.org/InkBlot
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GWG That was his site software
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GWG Not his client
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gRegorLove what is inkstone
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Loqi InkStone (formerly MobilePub) is a web app for posting various items to your website using micropub https://indieweb.org/inkstone
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GWG Yes, that's the one. Inkstone
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gRegorLove That one, I think
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ShadowKyogre gRegorLove: Yes, a micropub client with those fields. Was pondering if I would need to make a custom bookmarklet to go, "Hey I saw this in my browser, let's dump it in a linkblog collection."
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ShadowKyogre Since it felt like would need to play a bit with Admin actions or similar to make such functionality since micropub's a bit weird with PW
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gRegorLove Not familiar with admin actions
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gRegorLove My plugin uses the API to create the page from the micropub request
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ShadowKyogre Aaah, gotcha. Can see what have so far for module?
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ShadowKyogre As for Admin Actions, was thishttps://processwire.com/modules/process-admin-actions/
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ShadowKyogre Particular the populate from URL thing that gave idea of maybe just making custom bookmarklets
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gRegorLove It's not in any good state to share unfortunately
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ShadowKyogre Oof. I'll go ahead and try the other route I was thinking of then.
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[KevinMarks] inkstone is very flexible
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i just don't have the time to maintain things any more
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ShadowKyogre !tell snarfed I need some help with debugging fed.brid.gy support on my site. Fixed my redirects so they point to bridgy, got my posts listed in a feed, and implemented WebSub. I can discover myself on Mastodon, but I can't see my feed via that.
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GWG Trying to add some additional unit testing to my IndieAuth endpoint this week. Unfortunately, it means the PR size is going to grow, which may delay the review. Had hoped to put it on the gift calendar.
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GWG I hate writing unit tests
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[snarfed] testing++
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Loqi testing has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi [snarfed]: ShadowKyogre left you a message 2 hours, 36 minutes ago: I need some help with debugging fed.brid.gy support on my site. Fixed my redirects so they point to bridgy, got my posts listed in a feed, and implemented WebSub. I can discover myself on Mastodon, but I can't see my feed via that.
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[snarfed] !tell ShadowKyogre hey, sorry for the trouble! have you sent webmentions to bridgy fed for any of your posts? it doesn’t automatically propagate all of your existing posts, you have to trigger it for each one. details: https://fed.brid.gy/#use
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG [snarfed]: I like the idea of testing. I hate actually doing it
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[snarfed] that’s ok! it’s a bonus if you enjoy it, but not necessary. you get all the benefits regardless
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[snarfed] one thing to try is write tests at the same time you write a given a feature (or bug fix), not later. then you can use them to speed up/replace manual testing
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GWG For now, I need to test everything but the low level tests for IndieAuth
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[snarfed] aaronpk i thought through browser extension backfeed more, and i probably have to go the opposite direction from you. bridgy has a lot of functionality (UI, site crawling, etc) that i don’t want to reproduce, so i’ll probably couple mine pretty tightly to bridgy itself
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[snarfed] h well
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aaronpk yeah that makes sense
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aaronpk the main downside for mine is it's going to require that you manually trigger a post
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sknebel I'd guess doing it automatically wouldn't be impossible?
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sknebel (automatically when you visit/reload IG9
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aaronpk you need to be on the permalink for your photo for mine to work right now
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sknebel ah
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[snarfed] you can fix that by switching to a background script and fetching/crawling IG yourself, right?
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[snarfed] more work though
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sknebel guess there could be potential for an automatic version that you leave open e.g. on your home server that navigates IG automatically?
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[snarfed] that’s basically what OYG was, and got blocked
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[snarfed] value of the browser extension is that it uses your account’s session cookie, home IP, browser user agent, etc to look like a human
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aaronpk part of the reason this was so quick for me to write was because all it has to do is look at the JS in the page
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[snarfed] true!
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aaronpk i suppose the extension could sit on your IG profile and reload it and actually navigate to a new photo as it appears
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[snarfed] also true in a background script though
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aaronpk you could leave it open in a browser tab
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[snarfed] right, yeah. i can point you to granary’s logic if you want
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sknebel [snarfed]: well, if it's at your home IP, for your account, using an actual browser, ... I'd expect detection to not easily trigger
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sknebel I specifically meant "that the individual user can leave running", not aaron for everyone
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[snarfed] sure! and browser extension is the easiest platform to do that. desktops are less common nowadays, except for maybe gamers
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aaronpk you could even just leave it open in a tab on your laptop. i have gmail open all day for example
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[snarfed] sure. i have to fetch all of the existing permalinks to get the comments likes etc though, so one more fetch for the profile itself (in a background script) isn’t much difference
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[snarfed] may be different for OYG though
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[barryf] GWG if you're around, I should now have a working IndieAuth 1.1 implementation at https://mpubl-br-master.herokuapp.com/ if you wanted to try it out. It's working for jamietanna[m].
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Loqi Micropublish
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aaronpk works on my site!
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[barryf] Nice! Thanks aaronpk. I'll push that to the main micropublish.net instance.
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beko nice, an app that dusplays errors from endpoints :)
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beko displays
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[barryf] hi beko. Did it fail for you? Can I help troubleshoot?
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beko No, I didn't try. Just read the feature list. I was dead serious.
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beko Tired of "Oops, something went wrong" apps.
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GWG [barryf]: Worked for my test implementation
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[barryf] Thanks beko. Yes, much better to display back any feedback if possible.
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[barryf] GWG great! I think I can close that issue.
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[tantek] [barryf]++ awesome! do you have permalinks for the entries at https://micropublish.net/changelog ? I'd like to cite the "[2.4.0] - 2020-12-13" version for yesterday's IndieWeb Gift Calendar entry!
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Loqi [barryf] has 3 karma over the last year
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Loqi Micropublish
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[tantek] (the id attributes look quite unstable, like they'll change for every change that is added!)
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[tantek] uh, also re: "working IndieAuth 1.1 implementation" AFAIK there's no definition of an "IndieAuth 1.1", aaronpk?
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aaronpk correct, that was the colloquial name of the meeting and discussions, but the only actual version numbers are the publish dates of the spec https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/
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[barryf] Thanks both. Got it: I'll avoid using "1.1". I'll do a quick blog post with a more permanent URL.
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[tantek] thank you!
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@MstrKapowski ↩️ A static HTML archive of the site has been put online for now. No webmention or comments support, etc, but at least the content should all be there :) (twitter.com/_/status/1338602978903797761)
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[barryf] [tantek] here you are: https://barryfrost.com/2020/12/micropublish-indieauth
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[barryf] Thanks for including me 🙂
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Loqi [Barry Frost] Micropublish: IndieAuth updates and supported properties feature
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[tantek] [barryf]++ thanks for the post! The actual update was deployed yesterday the 13th right?
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[tantek] I'm going by the dates in the changelog
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[barryf] Correct. I’ll clarify that in the post.
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jamietanna[m] Ignore me I've now read the post above
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