#dev 2021-02-16
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GWG Compared to the old one... https://indieweb.org/images/3/3c/wordpress_indieauth_consent_screen.png
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[KevinMarks] Good thread here, some helpful stuff from Simon https://twitter.com/brianleroux/status/1361438298497945600?s=20
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@brianleroux what is THE serverless solution for full text search ? (don't want to provision 'instances'. pls!) (twitter.com/_/status/1361438298497945600)
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KartikPrabhu I think of it more as "cloudful"
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# [KevinMarks] it's such a bad name for it when "functional" was right there
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Zegnat What are people's thoughts on “remember this” options on the consent screen? I have been toying with that. E.g. if I granted the indieweb wiki to authenticate me (that is no scopes) and I store the client and redirect URLs, I want it to skip the consent screen next time this same request is done and just let it through.
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@ArtPunkDude <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a><a href="https://brid.gy/publish/mastodon"></a>
This is absolutley positively the single most awesome explanation of the IndieWeb I've seen to date. Love it and Love your Site! https://briefs.video/videos/why-the-indieweb/ (https://artpunk.net/2021/lta-hrefquotpublishmastodonquotgtltagtlta-hrefquotpublishtwitterquotgtltagtthis-is-absolutley-positively-the) (twitter.com/_/status/1361662396557844483)
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aaronpk [snarfed]: well, for one, this tweet has 17 QTs but only one came through https://aaronparecki.com/2021/02/14/24/bitcoin
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jamietanna GWG looks good - I'm partial to my solution of only showing PKCE when it's absent, with a warning, but I get why you and others have gone with show it
# jamietanna Any thoughts around showing all the scopes the server supports (or at least `draft`)?
# jamietanna Zegnat I'm not sure I want to ever have implicit consent, even for my own tooling, but I get where you're coming from - I'd definitely be interested in having a "you granted this x days ago for `create`..."
# jamietanna yes that's fair
# jamietanna I wonder if doing it with a "remember for x days" sort of thing is better instead of forever?
# jamietanna that sounds good - would you do it based on what you allowed it to have, or what was requested? the former, I guess, in case you added `drafts`
# jamietanna (or removed anything)
# jamietanna sounds good - I've added an "unknown" section, but may make it more visible that they're not known about. Wouldn't that make it difficult for experimenting with new scopes though?
# jamietanna So up until yesterday, my server didn't understand the `channels` scope because I'd just not added a mapping, but I still allowed myself to approve it so I could use apps
# jamietanna It's a fair shout though - it's not a great UX to allow a user to allow something that could be super dangerous if you don't know what it is
# jamietanna fair
# Zegnat Not sure there are any good WordPress examples, but say you are using an Aperture instance to host your Microsub server. WP does not know anything about Microsub scopes. But if I am using WP IndieAuth to login to my Microsub client I still want to be able to grant that client Microsub scopes to send to Aperture.
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@jkup I wrote a post on how I got Webmentions working as comments on my Gatsby site https://jonkuperman.com/gatsby-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1361720687161925632)
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btrem Against all good sense, I'm going to attempt to get webmentions working on my 11ty site. I've read and will probably use as my guide this:
# btrem Unless anyone want to warn me off that page.
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[Murray] @btrem: if you're going for 11ty, I'd also recommend looking at some of what Max Böck has written. Sia's piece is great, Max has some useful things around the edges, like cache control: https://mxb.dev/blog/persistent-build-folders-netlify/
# btrem I'm not using Netlify. I have a shared hosting account using control panel.
# btrem The freenode notification that I had been mentioned here actually interrupted me from looking up when that control panel/shared hosting account expires. I'm trying to decide if I should move to Netlify.
# btrem A static site built with 11ty, then uploaded via sftp. And email.
# btrem So if I ditch the shared hosting account for Netlify, I'd need an email provider.
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# jamietanna btrem it may be possible to have both? email through shared hosting, but website through Netlify?
# btrem Yeah, I thought about that. I could just pay for the shared hosting account but only use email, and not the web server.
# btrem If nothing else, I could not wait until the account expires, but rather give Netlify a test drive now.
# jamietanna can you try Netlify for a subdomain maybe? Or even just on netlify.app (i.e. not linked to your identity for now)
# jamietanna I've used Zoho.eu for years for my email hosting, and it's been really great - free hosting for a personal domain too :D
# btrem I know next to nothing about Netlify; so I don't know what netlify.app is!
# btrem A subdomain is a good idea. Hmm. I wonder how good my dns skills are....
# btrem zoho email looks scary. Is that a dedicated email app I see in screenshots on their site?
# btrem On a broad level, when deploying a site to Netlify via GitHub, does one commit finished html files (e.g., the output of an 11ty build) and Netlify copies the files? Or does one commit the templates to GitHub, and Netlify runs 11ty in some fashion and create the files and serve them?
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[schmarty] Netlify is pretty flexible. i think in general folks commit the templates and content to Github and Netlify runs the build and serves the result.
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# btrem That is a pretty cool way to do things.
# [schmarty] i've been tempted to switch over to netlify several times! my website runs in a nearly-identical way. updates to git trigger a notification to a process that pulls down the updates, rebuilds the site, pushes the updated compiled files where they will be served, sends webmentions, ...
# jamietanna sorry btrem - netlify.app is the default hosting for Netlify if you don't bring your own domain :)
# btrem Oh! Not some phone app then!
# [schmarty] all things i could port to work with netlify + functions (or its competitors)
# jamietanna zoho email is pretty nice when I've used it - it's hosted email, but they have a tonne of other services (primarily business focussed)
# jamietanna Netlify usually runs the build process for your app, and then uploads the built files to their CDN
# btrem I'm leery of an email service that doesn't have normal smtp and imap so that I can use my own email client. Though I don't *love* Thunderbird, it's better than anything else I'm aware of.
# jamietanna Zoho has SMTP + IMAP :)
# btrem So I don't have to use their email client?
# jamietanna nope
# jamietanna it's a hosting service - the only thing you'd have to use is their web client, otherwise you've got other clients like Thunderbird etc
# jamietanna Netlify is pretty great, I only migrated away from it cause of cost for building my site so often
# btrem What do you use now? And how often were you building your site?
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# jamietanna I've just moved to AWS hosting the static content out of S3 with CloudFront in front as a CDN
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# jamietanna I build anywhere between 20 and 100 times a day, and each build is > 120s which costs a lot after you go over Netlify's free builds
# jamietanna what you thinking Jacky re linkable?
# jamietanna So your consent screen can explain it, or?
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jacky something like https://indieweb.org/scope#create
# jamietanna that's fair
# jamietanna I'm trying to keep the descriptions all in-server, but I really like your idea of "which of my friends are using this"
# jamietanna Are these things we think that are worth documenting in the spec, instead of just on the wiki?
# jamietanna Also think I've asked about this before - should we add some official documentation for stable Micropub extensions, as closed issues are a bit harder to grok, especially when looking for expected request/response
# jamietanna I can't see anything on https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/ that links to /scope
# jamietanna I'd say spec is more official than wiki tbh, as it then says "you should be supporting this if you say you support IndieAuth of this version"
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Given the value that double-entry has created in the economic space since its wide adoption in the modern era, I wonder what additional value backlinks might create for the world?
#Webmention
(https://boffosocko.com/2021/02/16/55787140/?replytocom=309944#respond) (twitter.com/_/status/1361793871298973700)
# btrem I'm trying to copy a long code block from a page, but when I paste, it is in one very long line. Is there some way to copy code that
# btrem is presented as separate lines and keep the line breaks?
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# btrem Mac OS. I've never encountered this problem before. I looked at the source code, and it's in span elements, with (presumably) css to create line breaks. I just copied and pasted it line-by-line. Painstaking!
# btrem Firefox Dev Edition.
# btrem And web searches return only pages explaining how to preserve line breaks when creating a web page.
# btrem Well I didn't think of that, and there was no link in the tutorial. Ah well.
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# btrem ah, under "additional resources". Still wish I could have just copied and pasted like I've done every other time. :/
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# [KevinMarks] @jbove you could use fragmentions, then you get the links automatically working
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jbove will have a look at https://scripter.co/fragmentions/ tomorrow
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