#dev 2021-02-17
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@mdrockwell I’ve had https://mike.rockwell.mx for about a month. In that time I’ve published 126 posts and received 150 comments. Webmentions and services that embrace them — like http://Micro.blog — are powerful tools for communication. (twitter.com/_/status/1361840619522457600)
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@maetl Has anyone here implemented some sort of catcher/sink/DB backend for the webmention protocol and gotten it running on a live website?
Curious to know how challenging it is and any particular pitfalls/quirks to be aware of. (twitter.com/_/status/1361849124581085187)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ there are several open source ones at https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services
I found writing http://mention.tech fairly straightforward; the bit that requires more thought is how you present different kinds of responses https://indieweb.org/responses (twitter.com/_/status/1361854683699027968)
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Saphire Loqi: I love this XSS/HTML hack in it xD
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# Saphire ...derp I forgot that was a bot
# Saphire Or rather, at least anyone
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[KevinMarks] Saphire - there are some test fro xss in webmention.rocks
# Saphire Ooh.. nice
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GWG [snarfed]: Not sure. https://wordpress.org/support/topic/error-cannot-find-target-link/
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@ArtPunkDude <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a><a href="https://brid.gy/publish/mastodon"></a>
I'm Streaming Soon ... Tune In If you Need some Weirdness in you life.
https://www.twitch.tv/artpunkdude (https://artpunk.net/2021/im-streaming-soon-tune-in-if) (twitter.com/_/status/1362017228665847817)
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# [snarfed] [Murray] https://indieweb.org/nicknames-cache ?
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[tantek] yes, dynamically building a /nicknames-cache from your own posts is a great way to seed it!
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# [amy] I am exploring adding POSSE support to my blog, and I was curious if anyone knows of any examples of filtering by post type (ex: only showing blog posts or photos)? Or do most people just have a big unfiltered stream of content from everywhere?
# [amy] looking for some inspiration, but a lot of blogs I know of are _only_ blog posts or are _only_ a gallery of images. Looking to create some kind of combination but I can’t visualize what the UI would be like in my head, haha
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Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
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# [tantek] [amy] I've reviewed and updated the examples on /composite_stream 🙂
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jamietanna [Murray] I've documented what I do with https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/03/22/at-mention-people/ which I do a bit of up-front work to more easily do it / I just add a Twitter URL in a post and my site rewrites it to an @-mention
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@raymondcamden Forgot to mention, but got Webmentions running on my blog. Thanks to @zachleat - @TheGreenGreek - @jkup and others for sharing how they did it. Nothing is unique in my implementation, but folks can check my blog repo if they want an example. (twitter.com/_/status/1362098476943880193)
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# [KevinMarks] This thread keeps getting more interesting. Here's a novel approach to the database tax https://twitter.com/goranopacic/status/1362088332545646594?s=20
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@goranopacic @__steele @simonw @brianleroux @kevinmarks you should push all database increments to git which will then initiate cicd and pack sqlite db into lambda (twitter.com/_/status/1362088332545646594)
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[schmarty] snarfed: got logged in as my podcast site: wehavetoask.com - not seeing how to connect Facebook. in the bridgy plugin prefs i see a user page but it says user not found. the sign up link on that page doesn't have a button to connect FB.
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# [schmarty] i also vaguely recall folks doing the Instagram version of this plugin couldn't use it with Facebook Container so maybe i will wait for the chrome version and keep it simple.
# [schmarty] i am signed in as myself (which has access to the wehavetoask.com FB page). i visited the page and one of our posts but i am not 100% sure what i am supposed to be looking for as evidence of bridgy at work.
# [schmarty] a-ha! well in that case i should have disqualified myself. i don't POSSE much to FB at the moment, just posts for this podcast which exists as an FB page. 😬
# [schmarty] sorry about the container issues! i am reluctant to turn it off while i've got a bunch of tabs open in the middle of my workday but i could set aside some time later this week to try it in FF on another system where I don't have FB container!
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gRegorLove [snarfed], Chrome extension has been working pretty well with Instagram backfeed, though I noticed some likes not coming through, even though they're from public IG profiles. Not a big deal, but FYI.
# gRegorLove I do have my IG profile tab open
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# Loqi u-syndication is a way to discoverably link from your original posts to syndicated copies on other sites like social media silos https://indieweb.org/u-syndication
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# btrem I guess I'm trying to figure out the difference between `u-syndication` and `u-repost-of`.
# btrem I did look at indieweb first (though it's weirdly hard to find the list of webmention types; lots of "here's how to implement, but it was hard to find the list of types).
# btrem So this is not really a lazy web request. By which I mean I did some homework. :)
# btrem Yeah, you sort of lost me. Give me a few minutes to parse those last two comments. Maybe I can untangle it.
# btrem That seems like a bad thing. :-o
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# btrem I stopped going to those. Maybe I'll attend tonight.
# btrem Ladies and gentlemen, prepare your charts and diagrams!
# btrem I post an article on a GitHub pages site. A couple of months later, I repost the article -- an adaptation, to be precise, but it's pretty close to the original -- on my own site. I consider the second copy, on my own site, to be canonical -- and have a link rel=canonical on both copies to note that fact.
# btrem And I add rel=syndication to the copy on my own site pointing to the GH copy.
# btrem Is there any place for u-repost-of?
# btrem Or did I get anything wrong here?
# btrem I get rel=canonical. Both what it means and how it's useful (telling Google where the canonical copy is, how to add links).
# Loqi u-syndication is a way to discoverably link from your original posts to syndicated copies on other sites like social media silos https://indieweb.org/u-syndication
# btrem Ok, I can change that. But I have to wonder what the point is? What should a consuming application do with u-syndication?
# btrem One thing that *would* be useful is to suggest to e.g. search engines that a second copy is explicitly *not* canonical by marking it as a syndication copy from the canonical copy. Perhaps useful where you publish a syndicated copy on a service where you don't control the markup and therefore can't add a canonical link.
# btrem But then, how does a service know that there's a u-syndication link somewhere else? So maybe not useful now that I think about it.
# Loqi A permashortlink (abbreviated PSL) is a URL using a short-domain that expands to a permalink; on the IndieWeb, PSLs use personal short domains to expand to the same person's personal domain, thus minimizing the fragility often associated with shortlinks https://indieweb.org/permashortlink
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# [KevinMarks] Well, they could get a webmention
# Loqi An original post link is a hyperlink from a POSSE copy to its original indieweb post https://indieweb.org/original_post_link
# [tantek] re: the point of syndication links, see: https://indieweb.org/syndication-link-use-cases
# [KevinMarks] So if you syndicate to somewhere that accepts webmentions it could use the u-syndication on the webmention to mark your version as canonical.
# btrem In that case, the place that accepts webmentions would have to be the canonical one, right?
# btrem I think I'm starting to realize something: If you're not on Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/etc. that cuts out a big part of the usefulness of u-syndication. Maybe u-repost-of, too.
# [KevinMarks] Not necessarily - you can syndicate to other places, like indie news, or another blog
# gRegorLove reposts can be from any site, though
# btrem Yeah, I suppose, but I don't really repost to sites that have "webactions".
# btrem That's not a bad thing. Not for me, anyways.
# gRegorLove Not sure I follow. reposts are on your own site
# btrem Then I guess *I* don't follow.
# gRegorLove Here's a repost of another indieweb post https://martymcgui.re/2016/11/29/181404/
# btrem I thought repost was put something on your site, then repost to Twitter/FB/... So the repost is elsewhere.
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# [snarfed] the example of a repost is a reweet _inside_ twitter. we have indieweb-native examples of that on https://indieweb.org/repost#IndieWeb_Examples
# gRegorLove No, it's you republishing someone else's post on your site. It's like a retweet, but for the whole web. More examples https://indieweb.org/repost#IndieWeb_Examples
# gRegorLove jinx :)
# [KevinMarks] Eg this post has syndication links to multiple places http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html
# btrem Ah. Ok.
# btrem In general, `u-repost-of` is generally to repost what someone *else* has published.
# [KevinMarks] Tumblr was very repost heavy, before twitter has it. I'm pretty sure mastodon uses it too
# btrem I write that strawberry ice cream is delicious on my site. Then someone else write that strawberry *is* delicious with `u-repost-of` to my site's note.
# Loqi A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another (typically someone else’s) post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, and sometimes across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
# btrem Ha ha. Ok, not bold markup allowed!
# btrem In any case, as someone who avoids social media silos, repost probably won't come up for me very often.