#dev 2021-02-19

2021-02-19 UTC
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btrem https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2021-02-17/1613603682001400
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btrem http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-syndication
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btrem The wiki doesn't say rel=syndication is, as Tantek told me yesterday, deprecated.
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btrem It says u-syndication is an "alternative" to rel=syndication when you want to limit the scope. Is that correct?
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jacky that part re: using u-syndication over rel=syndication sounds correct
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jacky and the indieweb wiki is saying that that's the goal of rel=syndication as well
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jacky or rather, it sends people to u-syndication
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jacky most important bit seems to be this: https://indieweb.org/u-syndication#History
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btrem Yeah, so in a list of h-entry items (e.g., on many a home page), one has to use `class=u-syndication` to scope it to that particular h-entry.
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btrem But on a single h-entry page -- the permalink -- one can use rel=syndication, right?
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[tantek] btrem, note that the microformats wiki page on that has not been updated since 2014 https://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-syndication&action=history
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btrem Ok, so don't necessarily follow the microformats wiki.
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btrem And rel=syndication is deprecated?
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[tantek] no, check the history to understand context
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[tantek] it's effectively deprecated per the link jacky shared
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[tantek] perhaps we should do so explicitly
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[tantek] or narrow it down to why you might want to use it. I can't think of any reasons because AFAIK there are no consuming services that parse for rel=syndication
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btrem The link jacky shared says it's *not* deprecated.
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btrem It says u-syndication is an *alternative* for use when you want to limit the scope.
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[tantek] no it says "Previously, this page recommended" (which is pretty much the rough definition of deprecated) "... using the `rel="syndication"` attribute on the syndication URLs"
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btrem Which actually makes sense to me. u-syndication for part of a page (e.g., a single h-entry in a list); rel-syndication for a page that is exactly one h-entry.
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[tantek] but clearly we should clarify that further since misinterpretation is possible
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btrem Are we reading the same page?
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[tantek] using both depending on context like that doesn't make sense due to greater complexity for publishers and consuming code, when using only u-syndication works fine
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btrem https://microformats.org/wiki/rel-syndication
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[tantek] Are we? Literally the first words of https://indieweb.org/u-syndication#History
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btrem that page does not contain the word "previously".
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btrem I'm confused.
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[tantek] I said the link jacky shared
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btrem Yes, that's the link jacky shared.
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jacky but in that region
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[tantek] no it's not: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2021-02-19#t1613695352689300
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jacky using #History
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Loqi [jacky] most important bit seems to be this: https://indieweb.org/u-syndication#History
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btrem Ok, now I get the problem. I'm reading the microformats page, not the indieweb page.
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btrem So I'm confusing myself.
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[tantek] and the microformats page was the one that hadn't been updated since 2014, that's my point about checking the history for context
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btrem Ok, but since the indieweb page doesn't say much about rel, a web search brought me to the microformats page instead.
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btrem So I don't really feel bad about landing there, nor about asking about it here. I don't check the history of every page I look up on the web.
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btrem Anyways, thanks jacky for the link.
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btrem jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 31 karma in this channel over the last year (110 in all channels)
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jacky no problem
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[tantek] btrem, sorry, to be clear, definitely don't feel bad about any of this! This stuff is hard to always keep everything up to date and discoverable, and appreciate the surfacing of this inconsistency
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mblaney hi [snarfed] I had a go installing the brid.gy facebook extension, it's given me a user page of brid.gy/facebook/mblaney.xyz which doesn't exist.
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@lostfocus Jan’s Blog — Sending Webmention Notifications to My Social Reader https://ift.tt/3dtnefq (twitter.com/_/status/1362751241416302598)
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[snarfed] thanks for the nudge mblaney! looking
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[snarfed] looks like your browser hasn’t completed an FB poll yet. are you logged into FB?
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[snarfed] what does status say on that page?
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GWG [snarfed]: That reminds me, I have to manually posse something to Facebook to test your extension
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[snarfed] :thumbsup:
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[snarfed] no hurry. it already found wms for you that it should have sent but didn’t. i’ll debug. https://brid.gy/facebook/100002356503167
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Loqi David Shanske
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GWG I have been meaning to clean out and minimize my presence anyway
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sebsel lol I did a yolo update to PHP8 for my site just now. Got a 'syntax error, unexpected token ";", expecting "{"'. Turns out to be tantek's Cassis library. Do I want to debug that? :P
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aaronpk oh no lol
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jacky yikes
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sebsel I had a fast rollback so I'm good :)
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sebsel turns out that part of the JS code uses a function named 'match', which is now a reserved keyword and it's own thing in PHP 8.
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sknebel s/match/totallynotmatch ?
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petermolnar > I had a fast rollback so I'm good :) - that ain' no YOLO spirit :P
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jacky lol
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sebsel I did the 'lets just switch and refresh my homepage', that feels yolo to me?
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aaronpk it's only yolo if you can't go back :P
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petermolnar ^
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sebsel I'll keep that in mind for PHP 9
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aaronpk otherwise it's more like YOLT
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jacky lmfao
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sebsel opened an issue but I'm afraid it's going to need more comment-hacks to get around it, since something.match() is just part of Javascript (and now invalid PHP 8)
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sebsel but yea, since I'm only using the .php and even committed into my own repo I'm fine with sknebel's search and replace :P
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aaronpk ooh tricky
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sebbu reminds me when i had a similar issue with php7 because of a difference in the automatic autoload
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sebbu the error was "undefined method"
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[snarfed] GWG looks like you got a few Facebook wms! 🎉 https://brid.gy/facebook/100002356503167
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Loqi David Shanske
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petermolnar oh, wow.
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petermolnar is that through the browser plugin?
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[snarfed] yup
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GWG petermolnar: Likes on a post I made for the first time since June lf 2018 saying that I was testing this
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GWG [snarfed]: Not sure this will have me posseing to Facebook... but you never know
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aciccarello[m] [snarfed]: Does the firefox browser extension work if you're only logged in using a facebook container?
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GWG aciccarello[m]: I think he just fixed that
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[snarfed] correct!
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GWG [snarfed]: I wish publishing would come back
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GWG I hate manual POSSE
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GWG [snarfed]: Not asking though. Just wishing.
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[snarfed] understood! yeah it’s possible, but not likely
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GWG [snarfed]: Thank you for all you do.
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GWG I always appreciate it
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[snarfed] welcome!
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GWG [snarfed]: I'll get around to a hosted backfeed solution of my own someday.
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GWG After the many other things I want to do, possibly.
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GWG Like unit tests
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GWG I wrote one yesterday
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[tantek] sebsel, on it
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sebsel no hurry!
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[KevinMarks] Maybe I should try the Firefox container as fn doesn't work in chrome since I blocked their cookies
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[tantek] fix seems to work on my site without regressions so might as well commit to gh
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btrem aaronpk I think there's an error on https://webmention.io/
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btrem Under the heading "Show all mentions", is an example json that is missing a comma on line 20.
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btrem BICBW
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btrem I tried to clone the repo and fix it myself, but the README.md of the wementions.io repo is not the same as the docs on the website.  :/    Or I just can't find my way around.
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jamietanna btrem the root of wm.io is in https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/blob/cef1a38dbb1c8edfffdd45540648e86fa36dbe00/views/index.erb - I've had that before!
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btrem Thanks. PR should only take a few minutes.
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btrem Well, that was a comedy of mishaps. Didn't fork it, made the correction. Whoops, start again. Didn't create a branch, pushed to main. Whoops, start again. I don't think I've ever done so much work for one bloody comma. Gah. PR done. Obviously, you should make sure I'm not off my rocker about the missing comma.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] !tell sebsel fix is here if you want to take a minute to review it: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/35
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Loqi [tantek] #35 PHP 8 compat preg_m* separate JS/PHP funcs
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