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# 00:07 mblaney [snarfed] ha I wasn't logged in sorry! but I have now and still seeing initial poll did not succeed [snarfed] joined the channel
# 00:14 [snarfed] mblaney ah, bridgy needs the same web site in your FB profile that you IndieAuth with. looks like you authed with mblaney.xyz, and your FB profile has unicyclic.com # 00:16 mblaney ah forgot to update my domain on facebook. done and fixed, thanks! # 00:20 mblaney I've been meaning to take a look at switching facebook-atom to mbasic domain, have you looked at that at all? # 00:36 mblaney awesome! I'm getting a 429 at the moment but will have a look at it later # 02:01 mblaney looks like I've been fetching content from facebook-atom but the html structure is different on mbasic # 02:01 mblaney so I need to update my own rules about where to pull the content from [tantek] joined the channel
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# 13:07 sebsel lol, tweet mentions webmentions twice, so we got it twice? jeremych_ and [snarfed] joined the channel
# 14:37 [snarfed] bridgy has supported webmention discovery via header pretty much forever. the issue you’re seeing is that it requires a 2xx response, so it’s giving up on your 401. # 14:38 [snarfed] aaronpk i looked through the spec a bit but couldn’t tell whether endpoint discovery should still succeed on non-2xx response. do you know? # 14:43 sknebel no spec justification, but I'd argue that if the receiver chooses to link an endpoint from a 4xx page, they have a reason to mean that # 14:44 aaronpk Yeah interesting that we didn't think to mention it in the spec specifically # 14:45 aaronpk but I don't see any reason discovery should be ignored on a 4xx response like sknebel said # 14:47 [snarfed] i guess yeah. i just expect that happens a lot right now, and if i start attempting them all, 99% of those attempts will also fail # 14:47 sknebel (I guess "login required", request-origin-dependent "blocked for legal reasons", ... are cases were a human might very well see a post, reply to it, but their WM sender then might get an error page) # 14:47 sknebel I guess that's something you could collect numbers on for a bit? # 14:49 [snarfed] yeah. and the numbers probably still don’t matter, i should just make all those attempts anyway # 16:06 aaronpk Whoa I got a webmention from Facebook (I assume via bridgy) but I haven't set up bridgy for Facebook yet # 16:06 aaronpk unless the extension auto updated and it just started working automatically # 16:07 [snarfed] the extension is dumb and the server does all the work, deliberate design choice so i could update easier. which i did just now 😎 # 16:07 [snarfed] specifically updated scraping to handle life event posts like yours a bit better # 16:08 [snarfed] and you did set it up, right? ie you installed the extension and indieauthed # 16:10 [snarfed] you don’t have to do anything per-silo to set it up, just indieauth once # 16:11 aaronpk possibly...? I can't find the bridgy link for it because of how it works on my end # 16:11 aaronpk oh you know what, i think it might be just a mention of my home page # 16:11 Loqi [Justin C. Houk] I respect you choice. # 16:12 aaronpk okay yeah i'm surprised that's just an @-mention of my home page # 16:13 aaronpk that story.php link doesn't seem to work on facebook either # 16:13 [snarfed] sigh yeah that life event post type still isn’t handled ideally # 16:14 aaronpk ah right i didn't post that to my website at all, so there's no post of mine to reply to # 16:14 [snarfed] why surprised at the mention though? it’s in the text, right? # 16:14 aaronpk i just haven't used facebook in so long i forgot what i did with that post # 16:16 [snarfed] yeah that’s what i’ve seen w/most of the browser extension users so far 😆 [tantek] joined the channel
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# 18:57 [fluffy] [snarfed] ah, makes sense. But mentions to 401s will be very important for supporting private posts in general. Could there be an exception for that? For that matter I feel like any error page which declares an endpoint should still be consisted a valid target. # 18:58 [fluffy] Like consider a mention to a page that returns an error due to a transitory problem # 19:27 jacky not to talk ill of them but it looks more complicated than I expected # 19:31 jacky like the reinvention of status codes kinda made this more than needed # 19:31 jacky kinda interesting in implementing it on my site but at the same time, nah # 19:32 jacky also fixed the URL thing re: streams on my site [Ramiro_Ruiz] and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
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# 19:57 aaronpk i've gotta figure out why fpm just randomly stops working # 20:14 sknebel does it crash and not get properly restarted, or does it "hang" in some way? # 20:21 aaronpk when there's the "bad gateway" error and i look at the process list, all the fpm processes are still running [tw2113_Slack_] and [snarfed] joined the channel
# 20:46 Loqi katherine has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels) # 21:16 jacky I wanted to check if my h-card on my site is 'valid' per the representative h-card chec # 21:16 jacky but it doesn't seem to fly (mainly b/c fed.brid.gy can't find it so I think it's me) # 21:26 jacky random: does the exposure of one's rel-me links in one's h-card help with anything? # 21:27 jacky but I'm curious if there's anything else it helps with # 21:27 Loqi Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/rel-me # 21:29 jacky right I think that's what I was addressing w.r.t rel-me auth # 21:29 jacky but I don't see anything else it's handy for # 21:33 jacky this could be the thing I was looking for re: linking to a feed that's like just the Webmentions of a particular post 👀 # 21:34 jacky but yeah, I kinda don't see the extra value-add _just yet_ # 21:36 [KevinMarks] well, ages ago bradfitz built a crawler for all the xfn values, so you could query it for related accounts and friend links etc too, but it got deprecated # 21:37 jacky but what does finding 'related' accounts actually do? # 21:37 jacky but like what from that is actually useful? # 21:40 [snarfed] something we still largely haven’t cracked in the indieweb # 21:44 jacky I don't think it's immediately clicking for me # 21:45 [KevinMarks] it made more obvious sense when we tended to have multiple accounts on different sites rather than a couple of giant silos # 21:46 jacky spotify, xbox, instagram, facebook, twitter, (more niche: last.fm, trakt), tiktok etc # 21:46 [KevinMarks] so you'd have photos on flickr and short notes on twitter and a blog and music plays on last fm and so on, and they did actually use the rel=me links btrem joined the channel
# 21:53 [KevinMarks] plus a lot of detail on how it actually needs some messy code to canoniclize the links [chrisaldrich] joined the channel
# 23:42 btrem Is there a place to get demo webmentions json to test rendering? What I see on webmentions.io is json for a single url, but the code I borrowed from sia.codes gets webmentions for a site and filters, and it's screwing up, and I really need test data.
@fluffy ↩️ The comments on my comic are probably the first thing I stop caring about, especially since most of my interactions come in the form of Webmentions these days anyway. (twitter.com/_/status/1362957674464223240)
Loqi sebsel: [tantek] left you a message 8 hours, 54 minutes ago: fix is here if you want to take a minute to review it: https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/35
@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ Dat gebeurt via Webmentions met een koppeling via https://brid.gy/. Ik heb het deel met Webmentions eens beschreven, het Bridgy stuk nog niet. https://diggingthedigital.com/wordpress-en-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1363110225369309185)
@apple_observer Testing, testing, 1.2.3. (#webmention #indieweb #openweb): https://numericcitizen.micro.blog/2021/02/20/testing-testing-webmention.html (twitter.com/_/status/1363118698962161672)
jacky wow looking at the pingback spec (https://hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback) versus webmention one and I'm kinda surprised it took off lol
sknebel seems like there is a "slowlog" option for php-fpm that might help if it gets stuck in a request: https://robertbasic.com/blog/php-fpm-slow-log/
[KevinMarks] it helps with identity consolidation