#dev 2021-02-27

2021-02-27 UTC
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aaronpk i’m starting to get nervous about how many people are publishing examples of using webmention.io to handle webmention s for their site
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aaronpk i would at least like the code they are writing to be able to be reused with other webmention receiving services
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aaronpk who is up for documenting an api standard for retrieving webmention from a webmention endpoint?
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[tantek] like a JSON API convention?
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[tantek] at least to start?
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[tantek] to reduce switching costs?
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[tantek] might even make sense for "all on one server" approaches, just to split up the building blocks to make maintenance easier
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GWG aaronpk: I am
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GWG I still want to improve webmentions.
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[cjw6k] [aaronpk] do you have in mind, those retrieved webmentions would be enriched with source content? I would love to participate in doing something like that
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aaronpk Yeah the pattern that's emerging is people like using a service that handles the webmention spec and microformats parsing part, and want a JSON API to retrieve the webmentions (responses) that are collected
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aaronpk either for rendering on the fly from JS or fetching at static site build time for example
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aaronpk every time I'm seeing these "how to add webmentions to your blog" posts it's the vast majority of the time delegating the actual webmention part to webmention.io and retrieving the data later
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GWG I wouldn't mind if I could run a processing service outside of WordPress that can send things into the database
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GWG aaronpk: Has anyone ever self hosted webmention.io?
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aaronpk I have no idea!
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aaronpk But that is also another solution to pursue in parallel... making it easier for people to spin up on their own
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[cjw6k] this sounds like fun! I commit to doing an independent implementation in parallel with the development (easier than learning all that ruby 😛 )
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aaronpk ooo
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aaronpk well that's motivating
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[cjw6k] and I think through the process we can collab on something with a WP-rich implementation too
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GWG It doesn't need to be WP rich
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GWG Just an API or a hook to send the data once parsed
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[cjw6k] that's the beauty in a standard, it doesn't need to be WP-rich, yes, but the implementation that IS smart about the WP tie-in would pick-up the traffic from that community
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[cjw6k] implementation(s) 😉
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GWG I'd love a webmention endpoint that did the heavy lifting and then just sent the results
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[cjw6k] maybe I'll do three implementations then - the WP versions: standard and PRO, and the cjw6k one!
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[cjw6k] the standardization is the motivator for me - count me in
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[cjw6k] [aaronpk] a planned meetup for this? any after 6pm Atlantic or weekends is okay for me
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GWG We need a snazzy name
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[cjw6k] for the meetup or the standard?
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GWG For the theoretical application
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GWG And yes, I know names should come last.
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[cjw6k] I'll just call the whole thing webmention sandwiches until I hear something better
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@dev_nikema Webmentions – let’s go! https://nikemaprophet.com/webmentions-lets-go/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost (twitter.com/_/status/1365525138616291330)
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jamietanna Aaronpk I'd be interested help document a standard API for webmentions too!
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[KevinMarks] With mention.tech I tried to copy webmention.io enough to let fluffy's js work
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[KevinMarks] So I'm doe for that too.
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[KevinMarks] Hosting your own webmention.herokuapp.com on Heroku should be fairly straightforward too.
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[fluffy] I suppose I should finally get around to adding an endpoint congiguration, huh?
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@qubyte New blog post published! https://qubyte.codes/blog/dispatching-webmentions-with-a-netlify-build-plugin #AboutThisBlog #JavaScript #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1365689821113552896)
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@tomcritchlowBOT Ooh webmention analytics! What would be great at this course on Platform Co-Ops: (twitter.com/_/status/1365693502286405632)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I don't worry about them stepping on each other, I simply make sure they're cross-linked so that if I go looking for something, I'll be able to find it. Webmention definitely helps in this respect. As an example you'll notice that my… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2021/cambridgeport90-i-dont-worry-about-them-stepping-on-each-other (twitter.com/_/status/1365751334381760514)
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[tantek] from #indieweb-meta I feel the whole "old saw that letters written when you're mad should stay in the drawer for a week before sending. Then in the sober morning days later, you realize that you shouldn't send them." is something that could be built into a Micropub client
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[tantek] a multifactor heuristic, e.g. time of day (late evening hours, avoiding drunk tweets), perhaps sentiment analysis of the text (hmm, you sound angrier than normal, going to save this as a draft for you to review in the morning)
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[chrisaldrich] Putting "delete" on a button instead of "Tweet" would be fun in addition to the fact that they rhyme. 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] And might work well for people who have pushing a button that says publish.
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[chrisaldrich] I feel like I've seen articles about third party services that do that sentiment analysis exist and have been shown to work.
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[chrisaldrich] sorry for the unfinished thought, should have been "who have trouble pushing...."
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[chrisaldrich] It's easier to implement because it's a check for an empty field, but there's also pre-existing UI examples of this in gmail which will ask you if you want to really send an email if you use the word attached or attachment in your email and there isn't anything attached.
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[chrisaldrich] another example in this area: https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/do-you-really-want-to-send-that-could-bbcs-new-app-end-cyberbullying-3939701
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[tantek] I wonder how they avoided false positives when talking about emotional attachment or being attached to someone
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[chrisaldrich] The app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.bbc.ownit&hl=en_US&gl=US is also keyboard based, so potentially it could work when using with any other apps.
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[chrisaldrich] clever as well because it has other emojis and features people want to have which encourages it's use...
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[chrisaldrich] I'd try it out, but it's not compatible with any of my devices.
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@ChangelingMx This is also a test. https://brid.gy/publish/twitter (https://wp.me/pagcFg-wS) (twitter.com/_/status/1365793025222447106)
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[Murray] !tell tantek: more dev related so bringing here, but followed that /archive page link to your own implementation (very cool). Just happened to navigate through a few using the next/prev buttons, found that if you cross a year boundary it doesn't update the year in the slug, so you get stuck in a chain of blank pages. Just an FYI in case it helps/you weren't aware 🙂 (e.g. http://tantek.com/2015/257 and go to previous, works fine, but go to ne
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Murray] and that happens)
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[tantek] oh no it works fine [Murray] — those "chain of blank pages" are just days where I didn't post anything 🙈
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Loqi [tantek]: [Murray] left you a message 2 minutes ago: more dev related so bringing here, but followed that /archive page link to your own implementation (very cool). Just happened to navigate through a few using the next/prev buttons, found that if you cross a year boundary it doesn't update the year in the slug, so you get stuck in a chain of blank pages. Just an FYI in case it helps/you weren't aware 🙂 (e.g. http://tantek.com/2015/257 and go to previous, works fine, but go to ne