#dev 2021-03-05

2021-03-05 UTC
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[fluffy] Wow, adding a full-text search index to my site sure slows down the indexing a lot. Go figure.
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[tantek] seclol: https://twitter.com/lazerwalker/status/1330260008282583042
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@lazerwalker Fleets are accessible via API after their 24-hour "expiration", and it doesn't trigger a read receipt. So... apparently privacy and security teams also didn't get to do a basic 101-level audit before this shipped? https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1329935540049817600 (twitter.com/_/status/1330260008282583042)
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[tantek] just in case any of y'all were posting fleets
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[KevinMarks] the web client doesn't support them…
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aaronpk Also lol OAuth 1
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aaronpk reminder this is why we don't use client secrets in mobile apps
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jacky ha
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jacky I've been curious about having self-hosted search myself
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jacky right now, I've "outsourced" that to DuckDuckGo
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Ruxton I switched to Ecosia when google started fighting with Aus, problem is, the localised results aren't good enough, always going back to google for timely things or techy things
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[Nuno_Donato] morning folks!
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[Nuno_Donato] finally got my webmentions to work.... more or less 🙂
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[Nuno_Donato] but something looks a bit strange
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[Nuno_Donato] take a look at the test I did using webrocks
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[Nuno_Donato] https://webmention.rocks/test/1
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #1
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[Nuno_Donato] its displaying the entire post content... I'm not sure if this is something on the webmentionrocks side
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[Nuno_Donato] I tried placing class e-content in the link, in order for the text to show the link text, but it doesnt work. it grabs the first e-content and ignores the rest, so I guess I am misunderstanding how to use this
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[Nuno_Donato] I was looking to make something like this work:
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[Nuno_Donato] <a href="link1.com">link 1 text</a>
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[Nuno_Donato] <a href="link2.com">link 2 text</a>
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sknebel showing the entire content of a post is expected
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[Nuno_Donato] and then the webmentions would show "link 1 text" and "link 2 text" respectively. Is this possible?
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sknebel no, thats not a thing
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[Nuno_Donato] ok! so I guess its on the client side to them trim the webmention content?
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sknebel its on the receiver to decide how they want to show it, yes
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[Nuno_Donato] ok, thanks
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sknebel and e.g. for replies showing the full content isn't unusual (well, typically with some length limit, but "implementation detail" ;))
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[Nuno_Donato] one more thing, I added a <time class="dt-published" datetime="xxx"></time> somewhere inside the h-entry tag, but it doesnt seem to be picking it up
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[Nuno_Donato] it also says "The post did not provide a URL, using source instead", so I guess I'm missing some microformat... not sure which one 🙂
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[Nuno_Donato] i have p-url, but that's for the author
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sknebel you put the dt-publihed into the author h-card
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[Nuno_Donato] it is, but not as a direct child
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[Nuno_Donato] the u-url and u-photo are being detected
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[Nuno_Donato] same level
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sknebel as properties of the author, yes
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sknebel but nothing looks for a publishing date on the author
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sknebel !mf2 https://www.kalaksi.com/u/nunodonato/p/official-kalaksi-devlog/4826
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kalaksi.com%2Fu%2Fnunodonato%2Fp%2Fofficial-kalaksi-devlog%2F4826
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Loqi [Nuno Donato] And this is a first test 😎 This is webrocks test 1 test 2 is cool. https://webmention.rocks/test/3 https://webmention.rocks/test/4 with text https://webmention.rocks/test/6 test 7 test 8 test 9 test 10 hmmm so I was wondering what would happen i...
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Loqi [Nuno Donato] And this is a first test 😎 This is webrocks test 1 test 2 is cool. https://webmention.rocks/test/3 https://webmention.rocks/test/4 with text https://webmention.rocks/test/6 test 7 test 8 test 9 test 10 hmmm so I was wondering what would happen i...
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sknebel lol loqi stop
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sknebel anyway, see the parser output: published property is on the author h-card object, not on the post where itd be expected
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[Nuno_Donato] well I moved it out, but it seems to have disappeared from the parser output 🙃
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[Nuno_Donato] just placed it under h-entry
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[Nuno_Donato] oh no, the templating engine is messing things up
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[Nuno_Donato] need to look at this more carefully 🙂 thanks
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[Nuno_Donato] so, there's nothing that prevents webmentions to be send from withing the same website, right?
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[Nuno_Donato] sent*
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[Nuno_Donato] like, from one post to another
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[KevinMarks] yes, that's fine. You could choose to display them differently, but they should work
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[Murray] FYI, some services seem to restrict this and ignore same-site webmentions; others don't. It appears to be an implementation choice 🙂 If you're building your own, up to you. Personally, I use it as a way of automating cross-links and related post discovery
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[Nuno_Donato] in my case, being a social network, its expected same-site webmentions
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[Nuno_Donato] each post can have a different author
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@nunodonato first step done in implementing webmentions in Kalaksi! now the receiving part... (twitter.com/_/status/1367812741801639940)
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[Nuno_Donato] 😳 stalker
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@adam_greenough ↩️ Don't have to say completely goodbye to IndieWeb though, I use this webmentions plugin that works quite well: https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1367850754057338882)
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aaronpk what is static site?
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Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static_site
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aaronpk static site << https://rusingh.com/2021/03/05/waving-thankful-goodbye-to-static-websites-and-more/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://rusingh.com/2021/03/05/waving-thankful-goodbye-to-static-websites-and-more/" to the "See Also" section of /static_site https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74791&oldid=69900
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[Murray] heh, was just about to do that 😄 good article, fair points (as someone deep in Jamstack-land both personally and at work)
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[Nuno_Donato] that's an interesting article
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[Nuno_Donato] I never got into SSG due to some of those reasons. Tried once and went nah very fast
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[Nuno_Donato] i do understand why its famous in geekland
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[Nuno_Donato] but he could still install webmention plugins in wordpress 🙂
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petermolnar > I’ve gone from Middleman, to Jekyll, to Eleventy in the last… six years. - Yeah, no wonder they have problems with "static" sites.
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[tantek] I started with a static site. I went from .html to .css and stuck with both
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petermolnar [Nuno_Donato]: I made a near full circle from FrontPage to Dreamweaver, to a PHP4 based CMS to WordPress to my a python script and a few templates that creates my site from markdown files. Now I have a reasonable media layout (every post has it's own directory, with it's own files), and a completely portable site: if one opens the local html file and can navigate the site offline if they have a c
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petermolnar The problem is that once I got here, I had to write content that didn't involve "moving from X to Y" :)
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petermolnar opy of the full home directory.
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Seirdy two new non-indieweb projects: hummingbard is a forum and cactus.chat is a commenting system, and both are built on Matrix. I've floated the idea of microformats and lobste.rs-style submission webmentions up with the hummingbard dev and he seemed receptive to the idea.
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Seirdy would be cool if somone from brid.gy could keep an eye on them.
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[KevinMarks] Chat.indieweb.org has good microformats markup for a chat app if you want something to compare to
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jacky I have to remember that one's representative h-card != the URL that they enter
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jacky kinda messes things up for me with Web sign-in but an edgecase to handle
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[tantek] that may be worth tightening up as we get more experience with representative h-card
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[tantek] also a "representative h-card" means "representative h-card *for that page*"
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[tantek] it does not mean "representative h-card for that person" or "representative h-card for that site" (though if the URL is top level i.e. path "/" then yes it is)
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@AndreJaenisch ↩️ Hm … I'd rather see more WebMention being supported. Ever heard of it? (twitter.com/_/status/1367935640831205382)
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@AndreJaenisch ↩️ I agree with Pit. Said being said, WebMention and @bridgy would allow to pull in tweet replies as comments on a blog post (twitter.com/_/status/1367937821173035018)
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jacky oh that's true
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jacky hm then I'm setting some bad expectations
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[tantek] GWG, since you're investigating dates & times & calendars, perhaps you might find this as much of a rabbithole as I did: https://nationaldaycalendar.com/year-at-a-glance/ (use-case: possible Micropub client prompt to write something about whatever day(s) of the year it happens to be)
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Loqi Use the FORWARD (>) or BACKWORD (<) buttons to move to the MONTH and YEAR on the CALENDAR BELOW to find the dates of the National Days you want to research. Current Month march, 2021 ...
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