#dev 2021-03-06

2021-03-06 UTC
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@lcptuk Webmention W3C protocol for notifying a URL when a website links to it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1368016030535196672)
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aaronpk quill caches stuff so try logging out and back in again
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aaronpk on https://quill.p3k.io/settings it should tell you what it recognizes
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Loqi Quill
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aaronpk ah looking at your site i see you have rel=media-endpoint but it should be an underscore
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[tantek] that might be a good validator addition to indiewebify.me
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Loqi [thunderrabbit] micropub: a minimal PHP micropub endpoint, with media support
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/NGKabra/status/1368069088124149760?s=20
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@NGKabra OMG. A person whose last name is "True" has been locked out of iCloud for 6 months because the code got confused between the last name and the boolean value! https://twitter.com/RachelTrue/status/1365461618977476610 (twitter.com/_/status/1368069088124149760)
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[schmarty] Ooh wait when did quill start supporting media endpoint discovery via rel= ??
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[schmarty] My understanding is that Micropub requires the media endpoint to be specified in the response to a ?q=config request to the main micropub endpoint.
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[schmarty] I proposed the extra rel discovery long ago and I recall it being dismissed at a particular IWC Popup around Micropub when I wasn't around to explain. 😂
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[schmarty] (Leading to me huffing and puffing about it here in the chat 😂)
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aaronpk Ohh
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aaronpk you are right
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@pressedconf It's saturay, so how about some indieweb inspiration for #pressEdConf21 with @ChrisAldrich" and his talk #PressEdConf19 Webmention Badges" https://twitter.com/i/events/1119314254845370378 (twitter.com/_/status/1368271766372691969)
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sknebel anyone any pointers for a quick and simple "share updates between everyone who has a page open" setup with websockets or SSE? I know aaronpk used that one nginx module, but I don't quite feel like messing with a custom nginx build right now if I can avoid it for the moment
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aaronpk if you don't mind relying on a service for it, https://pusher.com makes it real easy
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sknebel I do mind in principle, but might be ok "temporarily" (i.e. probably forever due to lazyness :D)
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jacky this page helped me get some toy code going https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Server-sent_events/Using_server-sent_events
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jacky more on the client side though
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aaronpk yea you need something on the server to manage connections
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vilhalmer when I first heard about SSE I was really hoping it could be used without JS somehow
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vilhalmer like "here is a part of the page to replace"
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[snarfed] could WebRTC’s data transport get around that?
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jacky that would be cool
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[snarfed] i don’t know it very well, but sounds like it can at least try to do all the STUN/TURN/ICE peer to peer hole punching?
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[snarfed] may be painfully bleeding edge though
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vilhalmer you could implement webmention display in an otherwise static site without js if that were possible!
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[snarfed] oh sorry disregard re WebRTC, i misread the context
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[snarfed] although it may still apply to sknebel’s initial use case
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[Rob_Nugen] ↩️ How does the client (e.g. Quill) know what media endpoint to send via q=config ?
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[Rob_Nugen] sorry I missed the convo last night my time.
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sknebel q config is provided by the server
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sknebel the client asks the server for more details about the server through it
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[Rob_Nugen] thank you sknebel
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sknebel oh, the successor of the nginx module is available as a debian package. well, that makes it easier for my setup :D
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[Rob_Nugen] Reading here about the media endpoint, https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#media-endpoint my mind melts...
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[Rob_Nugen] Who has code samples I can look at?
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[Rob_Nugen] Can I pay someone to have a look at my setup?
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[Rob_Nugen] My setup is on Dreamhost shared hosting so I cannot do the Node.js versions.
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[Rob_Nugen] I am hoping to use a PHP script that can accept images from my phone (via Quill ?) and save them to my image server.
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jamietanna [Rob_Nugen] I've got a Java media-endpoint as part of my Micropub server, and that writes to https://gitlab.com/jamietanna/media.jvt.me which then gets deployed by netlify to media.jvt.me if that helps :)
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jamietanna I know we'll have a fair few people using PHP, I'm sure a few folks who have it on shared hosting, too
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[Rob_Nugen] Thank you Jamie!
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jamietanna Have you seen if there are any links to source code on https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers ?
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[Rob_Nugen] I looked at them some months ago
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[Rob_Nugen] I will look again now.
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[Rob_Nugen] I am moving more toward throw money at the problem because I want it done before April so I can easily document my hike across Japan