#dev 2021-03-10

2021-03-10 UTC
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[KevinMarks] jacky, you could start one and then see if other show up to add themselves
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@AngsumansServer http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369455244330102784)
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jacky [KevinMarks]: good idea, tbh
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jacky oh wow lol
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jacky re: PR
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jacky looks like HN has some gems :)
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@banruh .Webmention.io is a hosted service created to easily receive webmentions on any web page https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369457268522164225)
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samwilson Does anyone know of a Symfony bundle for webmentions?
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jacky samwilson: I don't know of any but I do see some PHP libraries for Webmention in general here https://packagist.org/?query=webmention
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jacky there's also https://github.com/Astrotomic/laravel-webmentions from that page
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Loqi [Astrotomic] laravel-webmentions: A simple client to retrieve webmentions for your pages.
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samwilson jacky: that sounds interesting, thanks
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samwilson I might tinker with a flex recipe for installing it
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jacky :)
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@hackernewsrobot http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369486723005218818)
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@newsyc300 http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ (https://bit.ly/3bAwUU9) (twitter.com/_/status/1369485916079816712)
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[tantek] Happy Webmention.io day everyone! 😄
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[tantek] ok that HN thread was reasonably entertaining. even got a Xanadu mention at the end lol
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aaronpk it didn't go as bad as i thought it might
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@ruxton ↩ī¸ the plugin does a pretty fine job of activating native functionality inside wordpress https://wordpress.org/plugins/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369502753488183296)
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jacky I'm like 70% of the way to getting passwordless IndieAuth for people
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jacky just need to work on the mobile app more
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aaronpk jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 34 karma in this channel over the last year (113 in all channels)
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aaronpk do it do it
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jacky the app will be fugly
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jacky but I think that's okay lol
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aaronpk i never did build my Kirby app
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jacky tbf, a bit of the idea for this came from there!
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jacky I think I saw it first on the wiki
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aaronpk that's the only place it exists
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jacky needs to remember to leave attribution notes on /Fortress about it
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jacky ha
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jacky hmm not this one https://indieweb.org/Kirby
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jacky https://indieweb.org/kirby-login-app
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jacky yeah and it reminds me so much of how Clef works
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jacky the logic, of which, isn't too different from being a CA of sorts
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jacky I kinda hate that SMS setup is easier but I really don't want my phone number on the Web
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aaronpk yeah for sure
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jacky oh wait
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jacky this approach is so much lighter in a way
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jacky like having the key be also visible on the site allows for it to work independently of whatever upstream provider is needed for keys
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jacky as long as it understands the algorithm used, it can handle it on the device
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jacky ha, that's effectively a federated form of Clef tbh
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Ruxton oh nice
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Ruxton this excites me
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Ruxton is it using rel=pgpkey?
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jacky Kirby does
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Ruxton ncie
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jacky but the way Fortress handles keys would be doing message signature checking
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Ruxton are you doing it in iOS,android or web?
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jacky I'm very interested in adding rel=pgpkey support tho!
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jacky I'm using NativeScript so it'll target Android and iOS
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aaronpk you could extend this idea to any key format
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Ruxton yeah of course
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jacky I think my only concern is doing proper key detection but that's really not that big of a deal IIRC
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jacky like the header of a unencoded key tells you that info
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Ruxton yep
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jacky is converting this energy into tasks
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Ruxton it could probably prettyh easily support physical FIDO2/FIDO keys too?
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Ruxton now that there's a device to plug in to
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jacky on the Web, I think so
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jacky I forget how that exactly works tho
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jacky actually my phone supports my Yubikey NEO
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jacky notes that this is getting _way_ into the weeds
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Ruxton haha
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Ruxton thats the problem with sharing cool idea :P
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Ruxton everyones goes "oo oo ooooo"
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jacky very much so
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jacky but it's a good thing
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aaronpk it's a little different with hardware keys and webauthn stuff since those credentials are tied to a domain
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aaronpk which is good, but it means the public key can't just be published on your website because there isn't just one
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jacky reminds himself to re-read https://webauthn.guide/
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aaronpk the takeaway is that each domain you use a webauthn key with gets its own credential and isn't shared across domains. it's the reason those aren't phishable
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jacky ah that's kinda ideal for this then
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jacky that reinforces this service as a third party working on behalf of a domain
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jacky but IIRC that'd only work in that browser (I'd have to re-register if I had it in my Web browser on my phone)
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jacky more things to think about
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aaronpk yes and you can't publish the public key on your site like in my kirby sketch
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@tnzk こんãĒんあんぎね https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369512927003246596)
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@Marikbrest http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K 337 (twitter.com/_/status/1369559223932248067)
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@radoncnotes http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K 337 (twitter.com/_/status/1369559059964235776)
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@dachelc http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369567062172053504)
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@KamariaKusmawa1 New top story on Hacker News: http://Webmention.io (twitter.com/_/status/1369568438163804161)
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@tammeke140674 http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K 348 (twitter.com/_/status/1369568284413157377)
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@InfernalZoltan http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K 348 (twitter.com/_/status/1369568124031352838)
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@thepaasguy http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K 348 (twitter.com/_/status/1369569763177996291)
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@Its502geekguy http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/3etTI9J (twitter.com/_/status/1369571790259970048)
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@bentash3 New top story on Hacker News: http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K (twitter.com/_/status/1369571504900440066)
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@ScraperNews http://Webmention.io - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26401955 (twitter.com/_/status/1369572643477807107)
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@terrypferguson http://Webmention.io https://ift.tt/38s5v4K 348 (twitter.com/_/status/1369572549886160900)
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@shobhitic @dhh any plans of integrating webmentions with HEY world? https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1369602569937383426)
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@CurtisLusmore ↩ī¸ And if you do write something in response to one of my posts, please hit https://lusmo.re/webmention/ to leave a mention. (twitter.com/_/status/1369604421928120322)
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@mxbck ↩ī¸ @webrocker yeah not sure what the DSGVO says about this. Technically I'm getting them from http://webmention.io,â€Ļ https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369603104388349956 (twitter.com/_/status/1369603104388349956)
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[tantek] what is hashbang
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Loqi A shebang (or hashbang) is the character sequence #! https://indieweb.org/hashbang
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[tantek] hashbang << Twitter broke their own hashbang links, e.g. https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23microformats used to give # microformats hashtag results but now just redirects to their "explore" page.
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Loqi ok, I added "Twitter broke their own hashbang links, e.g. https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23microformats used to give # microformats hashtag results but now just redirects to their "explore" page." to the "See Also" section of /shebang https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=74846&oldid=67877
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@icymihn http://Webmention.io https://bit.ly/3rNmyWF comm: https://bit.ly/3lfDkeB (twitter.com/_/status/1369736077288873989)
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jacky the flooding
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micahrl Hello. Is there any guidance or list of best practices for how RSS feeds ought to work? I have recently started using SVGs intermixed with text, and it has some problems in some RSS readers, curious to know what other people are doing.
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micahrl I found I got the best results by applying `style="..."` attributes to the <span> containing the SVG, but at least one RSS reader I'm aware of strips out my SVG entirely and I'm not sure how to fix that or if I need to fall back to PNG or something.
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jacky I was going to suggest potentially falling back to PNGs
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jacky or if using something like <picture> would help
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micahrl (I wrote a post about this for anyone interested - it's a howto for using fontawesome SVGs with Hugo, but it touches on the RSS stuff in an update https://me.micahrl.com/blog/inline-fontawesome-svg-hugo/ )
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micahrl Hmm yeah. I think I can write some kind of automation that generates PNGs for any SVGs I use, will have to do some research on that though.
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micahrl Tell me more about <picture> - what difference do you think that might make?
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jacky IIRC you can specify multiple sources in a <picture> tag
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jacky so if it gets stripped, the PNG option will be still be there
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jacky I'm not highly versed in this tho
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micahrl Ahh, I see, nice. I'll look into that, thanks.
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micahrl still curious if there's a list of rss best practices, in general... seems like the wild west out there in some ways, would be nice to have a prescriptive "do this not that" at least as a starting point.
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[KevinMarks] Universal feed parser has a list of html elements it allows
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[KevinMarks] https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/html-sanitization.html
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jacky oh
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[KevinMarks] that may just be dated and need updating for some newer ones
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@6ltdata http://Webmention.io (http://webmention.io) : https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369797032756543489)