#dev 2021-03-09
2021-03-09 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, it was Jacob Hall who had asked about publicly showing aggregator "content" from someone else's site at the HWC last week. Not sure if he's in chat though.
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[eddie] [scojjac] my pleasure. Also, great sleuthing! One can use an http(s) Url or a custom app scheme, but in practice either through IndieAuth best practice or Apple’s OAuth 2 implementation (I don’t remember which), essentially made the case that it was best to redirect to the server and have that redirect back to the custom scheme. So both are being used
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[tantek] Also regarding "respectful responses", has anyone heard of Positivius? https://twitter.com/Currofile/status/1368568320920797184
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@Currofile @__baileybrooks @SlackHQ This looks in line with something that https://positivus.io/ is building. (twitter.com/_/status/1368568320920797184)
# [tantek] also lol: https://twitter.com/nearlythere/status/1368543129603805188 (ob CommProtocols reference)
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@nearlythere @janeruffino @__baileybrooks @SlackHQ Would also love to block “ping” and “hello” and “yo” https://nohello.net (twitter.com/_/status/1368543129603805188)
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anon_jasrjfbq hi devs
# anon_jasrjfbq Looking for a second opinion how to structure my atom/rss feed.
# anon_jasrjfbq Anyone here?
# anon_jasrjfbq So I'm looking at adding metadata for the feed author.
# anon_jasrjfbq I've read through: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986
# anon_jasrjfbq And it seems additional data should be added using the <content> tag
# anon_jasrjfbq Here's what I have.
# anon_jasrjfbq <author>
# anon_jasrjfbq <name>Mark Pilgrim</name>
# anon_jasrjfbq <content type="application/bitcoin-paymentrequest">bitcoin:abcd84faj</content>
# anon_jasrjfbq </author>
# anon_jasrjfbq Is this correct?
# anon_jasrjfbq the content type came from: https://developer.bitcoin.org/examples/payment_processing.html#payment-protocol
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# anon_jasrjfbq I'm writing the code that will consume it.
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Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site https://indieweb.org/rel-payment
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# [Forest_Johnson] @Saphire
# [Forest_Johnson] > btw, are you aware of `async function()
{...}`?# [Forest_Johnson] Yes, it was a mixture of old code from before async/await was widely supported, example code that uses `.then()`, and just general laziness and familiarity with JS promise `.then()` API
# [Forest_Johnson] [KevinMarks]
# [Forest_Johnson] > Why use 200 for a failure? Wouldn't picking a more suitable error code make sense?
# [Forest_Johnson] Because serviceworker wont accept & cache a non-success response. I tried 500 1st, but it did not work
# Saphire [Forest_Johnson]: oh, okay! It is difficult to guess people's knowledge of JS and I didn't really look too much into it >.>
# [Forest_Johnson] Part of me prefers `.then()` too because it doesn't `throw` and rip all the way up the stack until it hits `try` . I guess its technically the same thing since I think the new standard is gonna be that rejected unhandled promises will completely blow up the app
# [Forest_Johnson] instead of failing silently
# [Forest_Johnson] failing silently and halting both very poor compared to compile time error 🙂 that's why I like golang where you have to explicitly state that you want to ignore an error, otherwise its a compile time error
# [Forest_Johnson] * the very possibility of an unhandled error will cause the compile to fail, is what i meant
# [Forest_Johnson] Yeah, but I appreciate the effort they made to push "truely exceptional" errors into their place and prefer to simply return a "result" whether success or failure, rather than blowing the stack
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# [Forest_Johnson] and, to be fair, you are still free to use something like try/catch in golang, with `recover`.
# [Forest_Johnson] yeah... or at the request-scope or even more granular level. I ended up doing that once for a relatively complex go app, having the thing log panics without crashing was very helpful to debug
# [Forest_Johnson] sometimes you really don't know until you hit prod. this thing was a bit of a research expedition 😄
# lahacker uh... anon_jasrjfbq why did you use Mark Pilgrim for the example?
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# lahacker what is 410 Gone can be 302 Found
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "410 Gone can be 302 Found" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "410 Gone can be 302 Found is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# anon_jasrjfbq I used Mark Pilgrim for fun.
# anon_jasrjfbq I don't see https://indieweb.org/rel-payment as the solution
# anon_jasrjfbq I want both humans and non-humans to be able to parse the payment data. And I also don't want each participant to host an app or anything for their wallet.
# anon_jasrjfbq I read more about extensions I think this one is better, but again not sure.
# anon_jasrjfbq <author>
# anon_jasrjfbq <name>Mark Pilgrim</name>
# anon_jasrjfbq <pr:paymentrequest type="application/bitcoin-paymentrequest" uri="bitcoin:abc7askjdfg"/>
# anon_jasrjfbq </author>
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# anon_jasrjfbq use someone elses node. Let's not dive into the minutia. More focused on how an extension should be added to an atom feed.
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gRegorLove rel-payment can be parsed by software. There's a couple implementations documented so far https://indieweb.org/payment#Implementations
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@ambrwlsn90 Am soon gonna update my webmentions along the lines of how @zachleat and @adactio handle theirs. See a post here… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369231305196642304 (twitter.com/_/status/1369231305196642304)
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@fluffy ↩️ Oh dang I should add this to webmention.js (especially the save data pref) (twitter.com/_/status/1369287917080735744)
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# anon_jasrjfbq Thanks everyone, I understand now :)
# anon_jasrjfbq <atom:link rel="payment" type="application/monero-paymentrequest" href="monero:abc7askjdfg"/>
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Monero" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Monero is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# [chrisaldrich] tantek++ for "forking" 😆
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[jeremycherfas] I agree that a lot of cooking is indeed subroutines. But cooking is a lot more forgiving than programming.
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# [jeremycherfas] I’d hate to have to write a docstring for any of it.
# [chrisaldrich] Somehow I always find recipes feel more daunting when they say "make a portion of X, see recipe on page Y". It always makes the process feel like twice as much work somehow.
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@ilpeach http://Webmention.io is a hosted service created to easily receive webmentions on any web page. - https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369357777781596175)
# [chrisaldrich] sounds like you want recipes as "stories" tantek. 😁
# [jeremycherfas] Oh no, I fundamentally disagree [chrisaldrich] I hate books that don’t do that.
# [chrisaldrich] Jeremy Cherfas, I'm just saying that it makes them feel like more work. I also hate books that don't do it. Usually the sub-recipes are far more important things to know than what's in the main recipe. Like IndieWeb, cooking is really all about having a strong foundation of multiple /building-blocks
# [jeremycherfas] The DRY point gets back to Peter Hertzmann’s book. Learn the technique and apply it anywhere.
# [chrisaldrich] Escoffier is a clear leader in that building blocks space too.
# [jeremycherfas] Seem like more work, ok, but they aren’t really.
# [jeremycherfas] Anyway, got to go and mushroom.sauté()
# [chrisaldrich] (the impression of more work is always on me being lazy and not doing the proper prep/mise en place, particularly when doing new dishes)
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@cont_learn http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ #continuouslearning #wayscript (twitter.com/_/status/1369362409169780742)
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[KevinMarks] was the concept of 'bearer' not clear? https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1369343211081236487?s=20
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@donk_enby "very confident this will not happen again" CHALLENGE ACCEPTED?! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwDh9XVWEAQ6UGO.png (twitter.com/_/status/1369343211081236487)
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@someone10987507 ↩️ They will: http://webmention.io
It's an official Web Consortium standard. (twitter.com/_/status/1369369461984215043)
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@top_hn_bot New top story!
Poster: bezelbuttons
Title: http://Webmention.io
URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26401955 (twitter.com/_/status/1369372057075613706)
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@Presbot1 http://Webmention.io https://webmention.io/ #technews #chatbots #automation #AI #ML (twitter.com/_/status/1369377704362008576)
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petermolnar aaronpk: if you provide binaries for everything, most probably yes, but even if they have to compile it, it's usually painless with go. Emphasis on usually.
# petermolnar alternatively write it in java without any platform dependent code, and distribute a single jar file :)
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@simevidas Webmention service at the top of Hacker News right now (twitter.com/_/status/1369380175201308674)
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@M157q_News_RSS http://Webmention.io
https://webmention.io/
Article URL: https://webmention.io/ Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26401955 Points: 119 # Comments: 30 (twitter.com/_/status/1369381469177733120)
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@Dreamseer http://Webmention.io ist an die Spitze von Hacker News geklettert. Ich denke, jetzt solltet Ihr da auch mal mitmachen! (twitter.com/_/status/1369383122169704448)
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@eay ↩️ Mir eh unverständlich, warum nicht viel mehr Blogs Webmentions unterstützen. (twitter.com/_/status/1369383899575500800)
# [KevinMarks]1 Lol at #3 should we post webmention libraries too?
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# Loqi [manton]: lahacker left you a message on 2020-12-16 at 6:14am UTC: the example.bar in https://www.manton.org/2017/11/24/blog-archive-format.html can't be found
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@lcptuk Webmention
W3C protocol for notifying a URL when a website links to it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1369394172483039238)
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aaronpk after my comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26403165
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@hail2u_ Webmentionの集計他を代替してくれるサービス。rel=meを使ったIndieAuthでログインし、集計されたデータはfetch()を使って受け取る。 https://webmention.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369426218559434765)
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@dimensionmedia https://webmention.io/ is a hosted service created to easily receive webmentions on any web page.
#IndieWeb
What webmentions are: https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/1369429541790253056)