#dev 2021-03-29

2021-03-29 UTC
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@zenia2020 @dansvel WebMention itu kayaknya jalan tiap 30 menit (twitter.com/_/status/1376325754821038084)
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@zenia2020 ↩️ Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1376333044072640514)
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@dansvel ↩️ nggak cuma twitter,, webmention kalo pake bridgy bisa sekalian facebook, instagram, reddit, ada juga yg bisa di devto, cuma blum tau caranya (twitter.com/_/status/1376351275059580929)
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[tantek] This sounds like good news and also a highlighting of the fundamental power dynamics at play: https://ethanmarcotte.com/wrote/au-revoir-mon-ampmour/
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jacky you know, there's some things I wish one could adjust via Micropub
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jacky I don't know if it's really meant to manage one's site
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jacky but like being able to add syndication targets from Micropub could make some onboarding nearly zero-touch
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[KevinMarks] does that mean changing how you respond to unknown mp-syndicate-to?
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[KevinMarks] so you pass in a full struct there and the server remembers it?
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[KevinMarks] the challenge is that syndication is often using some other server specific config. I suppose you could pass in another url that has a micropub endpoint, but you'd still need some auth to happen server side
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[schmarty] jacky: that is super interesting. a lot of syndication target setup does look the same, i imagine. some oauth dance to get permissions to post to some account on some silo. the endpoints and post contents need to be different for each one, but silo.pub flattens that all out to a micropub endpoint and access token, probably.
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jacky [KevinMarks]: sure but we have a standard structure on how it should be represented to clients
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jacky I think that could be the basis of which servers can then serialize that information to their system
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jacky [schmarty]: looking at silo.pub actually inspired me to suggest this tbh!
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jacky because if part of the process was like "okay, tell us which services to add to your site" (or even to automatically disable/enable them if it notices issues with syndication)
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[schmarty] yeah this is pretty powerful. i think a way to bake silo.pub registration into your micropub endpoint would be a huge start.
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[snarfed] probably not silo.pub specifically though, it’s abandoned
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[snarfed] hah well that too
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[tantek] yeah I think the domain was lost
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[schmarty] it might be a reasonable codebase to start from or crib from. but, yeah, RIP hosted silo dot pub.
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[tantek] does anyone use images to decorate their "no results found pages"? I'm wondering if this is a "thing" we can document
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[tantek] e.g. just tried searching for the "Impending Doom" in news.google.com and selected their auto-suggest dropdown for the "topic", and got a no results page
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[tantek] with this upsidedown (dropped?) ice cream cone image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zpUAWPoFO8BgmXeHZna-q2AFE1ss9PWr2E16kntkjD5pyjVWfWEhzza9qBxRpMypBCYTnINVLw=w288
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[tantek] and the text "There are no items to show."
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[tantek] I feel like I've seen othersites fill in their "zero results" pages with humorous images
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[scojjac] Old office had a room 404 placard that I used for a bit
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[scojjac] twitter used to have the fail whale, right?
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jacky realizing that using micropub to update one's contact list is also a very viable way to do it
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jacky like sending action=create&h=card&url=$URL should be enough to add someone to one's contact list
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jacky is thinking more about what things we read that we should consider also editing via Micropub
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[KevinMarks] Hmm. So you could define a syndication target microformat to add one maybe?
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jacky perhaps, I was doing to lean on the same structure shown here https://micropub.spec.indieweb.org/#syndication-targets
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jacky the thing is, I don't want to define an explicit format without first giving a case where it'd be presented on one's site
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jacky so far, I can't think of any outside of them being a special 'archive'
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jacky I think I can get around having to define a new microformat by using a new action `create:syndication-target` (for example) and let the remaining properties follow a similar structure to the above
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jacky shrugs
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jacky I just don't want to end up in a place where an auxiliary API is built without some sort of consensus and then we run into the "compatible with Mastodon API" issue
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jacky granted, that's assuming we get a proliferation of Micropub syndication targets, lol
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[KevinMarks] I was thinking that you could extend mp-syndicate-to to create it maybe
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[KevinMarks] But that may be confusing too
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jacky yeah I can see that being useful if someone's testing it out for the first time
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jacky but would be a bit noisy afterwards
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[aciccarello] [tantek] I know google's material design has encouraged more friendly "empty state" pages. https://material.io/design/communication/empty-states.html#content
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[aciccarello] But usually I hear people talking about those kinds of images for 404 pages (I've got a GIF). I'm not sure what the "thing" would be for those images.
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[aciccarello] https://www.ciccarello.me/404
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[tantek] no results found is vaguely similar to no page found
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[aciccarello] Whoah, well this is an interesting use of 404 pages:
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[aciccarello] https://notfound.org/
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jacky heh yeah
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[fluffy] Neat idea but I just went to their own 404 page to see what sorts of stuff they’d be serving up and so far none of them are like… recent or relevant or likely to be resolved.
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[fluffy] like, “current age: 70. missing since 1968”
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[chrisaldrich] I don't have it on my search page results, though could probably do it, but I did put up some images on my 404: https://boffosocko.com/404
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[chrisaldrich] Bill Gates used to have a somewhat funny 404 page: https://web.archive.org/web/20180405021913/https://www.gatesnotes.com/404
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[chrisaldrich] It's definitely more of a thing for 404 page design than for no results pages in search in my experience...
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[chrisaldrich] but definitely falls under the category of /fun
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