#dev 2021-05-21
2021-05-21 UTC
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sparseMatrix heya [snarfed] : D
# sparseMatrix might you recommend something similar that is less google-bound?
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# sparseMatrix there's Authl (https://opensourcelibs.com/lib/authl)
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# sparseMatrix that was awesome... the hcard I had in place had rel/me and authorization endpoint(s) configured for my new(er) micropub server effort. I attempted to log in to the wiki with my my newer hcard uri, and indieauth.com redirected me to the auth endpoint at the dev site.
# sparseMatrix not exactly handy for logging in right now, given it's barely started, but it gave me a perfectly clear picture of what my flask app needs to do next.
# sparseMatrix so I have been really struggling to articulate to myself with precision what it is I want my new service to do, beyond very generally saying, you know, microformats/micropub.
# sparseMatrix I think it's coming together, though.
# sparseMatrix Basically, I want the service to be 'open' to any authorized user.
# sparseMatrix period.
# sparseMatrix However, I only want to actually authorize one myself; that one being me.
# sparseMatrix So essentially anyone would be able to use the endpoints on the server, so long as they could authenticate according to any of the accepted methods.
# sparseMatrix that gives me the better parts of them having an account with classical permissions, vs. the pain of having to 'host' such accounts.
# sparseMatrix essentially a policy of 'any verifiable identity already has an account on my server'.
# sparseMatrix perhaps that is how it works anyway, and the light only just lit up for me ; )
# sparseMatrix but in any case, that is where I think I'm headed
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@mandaris Manton Reece - Webmention and Twitter: https://www.mandarismoore.com/2021/05/20/manton-reece-webmention.html (twitter.com/_/status/1395577661007835137)
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jacky interesting point about parsing JIDs https://blog.samwhited.com/2021/02/xmpp-addresses/
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# sparseMatrix o/
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barnabywalters aaronpk: does this look like a sensible way of using micropub scopes to you? https://indieweb.org/Taproot#Micropub_Integration_and_Scopes
# barnabywalters I’m also thinking about read vs read_public scopes, to control whether clients can access private content
# mgdm is h-entry markup only intended for the actual content of post? So I shouldn't add that to the index page that just has the title and summary
# barnabywalters mgdm: probably not, but it depends a bit on exactly what th content is. typically, if it has content and a published datetime, it could be a valic h-entry
# barnabywalters but consider: is it something that people can reply to? how would it look if it showed up in someone’s feed reader?
# mgdm it might make sense but it wouldn't be the right place to get that I guess
# barnabywalters typically, indieweb index pages have a prominent profile h-card, and maybe an h-feed containing h-entries
# barnabywalters mgdm: do you have a link?
# mgdm It's just my blog. https://mgdm.net/weblog/ is the index, I was going to add h-entry markup to the pages linked from there, but wondered if I could do something on the index
# barnabywalters that looks like an ideal candidate for an h-feed, with each item marked up with h-entry
# mgdm Ah cool! Thanks
# barnabywalters e.g. I’d recommend putting h-feed on the <body> element, p-author h-card on the a.header-link for a minimal authorship h-card, and h-entry on each of the ul.post-list li elements
# barnabywalters oodani: marking up only p-summary with no e-content should be sufficient
# barnabywalters (and of course u-url on the permalink, so that clients/users can fetch the full version!)
# barnabywalters also PSA aaronpk the link to your mentions feed here is broken https://indieweb.org/feed#Aaron_Parecki
# barnabywalters btw mgdm and oodani here’s a great tool for testing h-feed markup and previewing how it might look in a feed reader https://monocle.p3k.io/preview
# mgdm nice, thanks
# barnabywalters cool! yeah I think I saw it mentioned somewhere
# barnabywalters btw mgdm I just realised that you have very similar content on https://mgdm.net/, the same h-feed markup would also work fine there, but you could additionally mark up your bio as part of the author h-card, and mark up “Weblog” as the p-name of the h-feed, which is used as a human-friendly feed name in some reader UIs
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[KevinMarks] Yes, p-summary is the way, my homepage is like that kevinmarks.com
# mgdm Ah cool, that might make more sense, thanks
# barnabywalters and then I guess the link to More posts would be the u-url of the h-feed
# barnabywalters so that clients know where to go for more content
# [KevinMarks] Hm monocle doesn't show the summary
# barnabywalters yeah I noticed that too, might be worth filing an issue or pinging aaronpk about
# barnabywalters btw [KevinMarks] etc, there are very few real-world examples on https://indieweb.org/feed, feel free to add yours, noting things like only publishing summaries etc
# sparseMatrix Great seeing y'all so busy this morning, I thought I was the only one lol
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@sheldon_hull ↩️ Or a go tool for webmentions or something that is confusing as heck...make it easy. (twitter.com/_/status/1395763582814597122)
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# barnabywalters ???
# jacky also shout out to https://fedidb.org/, dansup
# jacky barnabywalters: I'm referring to https://blog.samwhited.com/2021/02/xmpp-addresses/, I posted that about 10 hours ago lol
# barnabywalters oh yeah those are definitely some diagrams
# mgdm you can get some of the way to those using something like http://flowchart.js.org/
# barnabywalters mgdm++ nice tool
# mgdm Another good one is https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/#/
# mgdm Yeah it's cool! I use the live editor quite a bit to make diagrams for work
# barnabywalters is there a “why are the authorization_endpoint and the token_endpoint different when the indieauth spec assumes that they’ll usually be part of the same service” explainer anywhere?
# barnabywalters is it something carried over from oauth2?
# mgdm guess so (I can see from an OIDC .well-known endpoint that there are separate entries for both of those)
# barnabywalters hmm okay that doesn’t entirely explain it but I added it to the wiki FAQ
# barnabywalters is the fact that tokenless login information can be obtained from the auth endpoint also based on OAuth2, or is that a simplicity/backcompat addition carried over from the earliest indieauth implementations?
# barnabywalters sure, except for that exception I just mentioned
# barnabywalters okay, thanks, I’ll expand on the FAQ
# barnabywalters the fact that both endpoints can in theory be separate services, and that how they interact isn’t covered in detail in the spec, never fails to confuse me
# barnabywalters right, I clearly just need to re-adjust my assumptions and then everything will become a lot simpler
# barnabywalters working on my site and micropub-adapter in the past week has reminded me just how enjoyable and productive working with PHP can be
# barnabywalters woah xray looks cool, don’t think I’ve seen that yet
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# barnabywalters aaronpk++ you’ve clearly been as productive as ever in the past years
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# dansup jacky: thanks! :)
# jacky for those curious https://fedidb.org/network/instance?domain=mastodon.online
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@ChrisAldrich Great to hear that http://micro.blog now does backfeed with http://Brid.gy for Twitter using Webmention. Particularly xcited to see how static site generators will use this.
https://boffosocko.com/2021/05/19/55791428/ (twitter.com/_/status/1395790982726225921)
# @ChrisAldrich Great to hear that http://micro.blog now does backfeed with http://Brid.gy for Twitter using Webmention. Particularly xcited to see how static site generators will use this.
https://boffosocko.com/2021/05/19/55791428/ (twitter.com/_/status/1395790982726225921)
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@mantontest ↩️ @mantonsblog This is a test reply to see http://Brid.gy in action. (twitter.com/_/status/1395033801533927428)
# barnabywalters am I right in thinking that micropub endpoints must not accept access_tokens via a query string parameter, e.g. on GET q=config requests where they can’t provide a request body?
# barnabywalters and that in those cases, the authorization must be provided via an Authorization: Bearer header?
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# [snarfed] !tell jamietana thanks for checking on your webmention sender! just FYI, in case it helps, i’m still seeing it happening with new posts too. examples: https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/05/n6cy6/ , https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/05/5qmyh/ , https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/05/lhmty/
# barnabywalters thanks
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# [KevinMarks] I should merge the fedi dB thing with my previewer http://www.unmung.com/mastoview?url=Pixelfed.social+&view=local
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed sorry, so I sorted the authentication issue I had, but now it looks like I've got a threading issue 😂 hopefully will get some progress on it this weekend
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@achoosneezed New post set sail: Trying a webmention reply https://trxtp.com/aw (twitter.com/_/status/1395835396840312832)
# [tw2113_Slack_] hmm, need to adjust that
# [tw2113_Slack_] wrong twitter account and everything
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# sparseMatrix o/
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