#dev 2021-05-20
2021-05-20 UTC
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sparseMatrix Sorry didn't make it to the meeting this evening folks, but just caught up on the irc. I'm really invested in the same idea that @[chee] has, which is to make a note-taking app the front end for my blogging. Not necessarily a straight pipe, but may be with filters for summarization and presentation too. Hell man, my holy grail is a passive personal search engine that uses a lexical analysis of my blog post as a set of search criteria. Think
# sparseMatrix blog post->word cloud->search engine->repository of relevant things for later consumption, Idk but good evening and catch you all next time on zoom ; D
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@PromotionsPsst We're looking for #bloggers! Help spread the bookish word about some best-selling and award winning #indieauth... https://www.psstpromotions.com/1/post/2021/05/upcoming-book-blog-tours-bloggerswanted.html (twitter.com/_/status/1395198704403976195)
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# [girrodocus] Thanks @mgdm 😎 Will keep you in mind when I inevitably break something on nginx!
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@iamhirusi ↩️ Ah, no. I'm just no longer on the IndieWeb. In the future? Maybe. But it's not your outgoing webmentions that are broken in any case. :)
Thanks for that recommendation! I'll update the blog post soon. (twitter.com/_/status/1395264635989790722)
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@savelbr ↩️ Hopefully Webmentions are next! Although that would put me in the awkward position of unequivocally applauding a Google decision. (twitter.com/_/status/1395284225239261184)
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# doosboox Applauding what google decision?
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petermolnar the RSS thing I assume
# Saphire stares at Firefox
# doosboox stares at Saphire staring at Firefox
# Saphire Oh hi :D
# doosboox :D
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mime" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mime is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mime type" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mime type is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi microformats2 is the latest stable and interoperable version of microformats https://indieweb.org/mf2
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barnabywalters since when do we have a separate mime type for it? do any applications explicitly request/consume text/html+mf2?
# barnabywalters or rather, in what cases would an application not bother parsing an HTML page if it wasn’t served as +mf2, and conversely, what applications would only add mf2 classnames if +mf2 was explicitly requested in an Accept header?
# barnabywalters yeah, with JSON there’s some benefit to specifying what vocabulary/structure the document uses
# barnabywalters is being consistent preferable to doing something unnecessary and potentially confusing?
# barnabywalters wait I phrased that wrong
# barnabywalters is being consistent *worth* doing […]
# reed Lots of irc drama eh? Are you folks staying on freenode?
# barnabywalters we’ve been discussing it in #indieweb-meta and -chat
# barnabywalters tl;dr: staying here for the moment, but making preparations to move in case it becomes necessary
# reed ACK thanks
# barnabywalters jinx
# barnabywalters (and thanks aaronpk, I’m sure I will be making use of that command)
# petermolnar (warning, incoming herecy) is there a way to form a hybrid hfeed that is also an AS feed? (I could be asking the wrong question, I'm just curious)
# barnabywalters petermolnar: funny you mention it, I was just reading https://indieweb.org/h-as
# petermolnar I saw the -meta things, and got reminded that just today I was told off for believeing that AS can't be static file like RSS, however, I didn't get any proof
# barnabywalters not sure if that’s what you meant though
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@TwitterAPI The blocks and Likes lookup endpoints are now available on the Twitter API v2. Learn more about these endpoints, including new functionality only available on v2! https://twittercommunity.com/t/announcing-twitter-api-v2-likes-lookup-and-blocks-lookup/154353 #TwitterAPI #EarlyAccess #v2 (twitter.com/_/status/1395447825366847488)
# petermolnar that is probably the root of my issues: forming the question to ask :)
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[KevinMarks] use granary to translate - I assume you mean as1 as as2 is json only
# barnabywalters I’m not up to date on who publishes/consumes AS, and how. I think mastodon uses it?
# petermolnar [KevinMarks]: ok, fullon confusion: didn't AS start as an rdf vocab?
# petermolnar did it lost that aspect?
# petermolnar *lose
# barnabywalters if AS can be consumed as JSON returned from a URL over HTTP, I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t be served as static files
# barnabywalters but IIRC it’s based more on active messaging between servers
# barnabywalters in which case static files won’t cut it
# petermolnar this is what I recall as well, hence the (still forming) question
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# barnabywalters huh I had completely forgotten about pump.io
# petermolnar everyone did
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# barnabywalters (I’m assuming that was the same eris who was spamming earlier)
# [KevinMarks] As started as an XML vocab for atom, then became a json version, and the RDF was added for AS2
# [KevinMarks] I think you mean ActivityPub, not AS2, which uses AS2 format but adds another protocol to exchange it that involves signing and things
# barnabywalters [KevinMarks]: is AS currently used anywhere other than ActivityPub?
# [KevinMarks] as1 is used in Jira
# [KevinMarks] not sure if anyone else is still using, maybe some other enterprise things. I think all the social networks that used have died since.
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# barnabywalters is it difficult to get an approved dev account?
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[tantek] for anyone tempted to implement 4-digit codes for authing into your website: https://mobile.twitter.com/Thinkwert/status/1394088233835900931
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@Thinkwert (𝘩𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘦𝘳 𝘷𝘰𝘪𝘤𝘦) I’m in https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1jL28ZWYAQx92B.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1394088233835900931)
# [snarfed] jacky what do you see on https://developer.twitter.com/apply ?
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# barnabywalters #indieweb -> hmm, pillowfort has some weird markup. <divs> in the <head>
# barnabywalters and <a> elements with multiple id attributes
# barnabywalters no mf2 though
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jacky OH the part at https://developer.twitter.com/en/account/subscriptions/search-30day is _not_ clear
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gRegorLove Sounds like they were down for a bit too: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1395454895092760578
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@eevee ah, pillowfort is back! i wonder what— oh dear sweet jesus https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E12m0_XVEAEpePx.png (twitter.com/_/status/1395454895092760578)
# barnabywalters yeah that’s where I first heard about it gRegorLove
# barnabywalters ugh their markup is filled with
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# gRegorLove Interesting, has communities sorta like subreddits: https://www.pillowfort.social/community/cats
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@Aahh_Melia ↩️ #amazon #kindle #summerreading #summerreadingforkids #bookit #readme #indiepub #indieauth #upworks #kindleunlimited… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1395428117460647936 (twitter.com/_/status/1395428117460647936)
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# gRegorLove Quite a bit more information on this wiki https://fanlore.org/wiki/Pillowfort
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# barnabywalters if anyone can think of interesting TLD-specific restrictions, feel free to document them here: https://indieweb.org/top-level_domain#TLD-Specific_Restrictions_and_Considerations
# barnabywalters IIRC we had some discussion about TLDs and who operates them recently? can’t remember if it was relevant to this though
# [KevinMarks] there was .ly banning Violet https://uk.pcmag.com/news/100076/libya-seizes-url-shortener-vbly
# barnabywalters it sucks, but they kinda shoulda checked that before making a “sex-positive URL shortener”
# barnabywalters yeah, talk about broad
# barnabywalters I wonder if there are any compliant .io domains according to that definition
# barnabywalters oh man, imagine the legal fees for asking a lawyer to check whether your site complies with the laws of every single nation
# gRegorLove barnabywalters, some .io criticism on https://indieweb.org/short-domains#io
# barnabywalters I suppose it’s on-brand for us that we have so many separate wiki pages about domains
# barnabywalters I didn’t even see that one
# gRegorLove Haha, yep
# barnabywalters that’s a good list though, I’ll delete mine and link to it
# barnabywalters or, hmm, maybe that list should be moved to /TLD
# barnabywalters as it has more to do with TLDs than short domains
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I was about to say that in #indieweb-meta
# barnabywalters huh, TIL that croatia gives out free subdomains of from.hr to their citizens
# barnabywalters I was thinking a bit recently about how domains would have to get a lot cheaper/free in order for indieweb to reach a much larger audience, and that’s one interesting solution
# mgdm there's form for that, sort of. things like eu.org and such back in the day
# barnabywalters yeah, didn’t a lot of ISPs also include a subdomain and some hosting space with internet plans?
# barnabywalters not that you’d want to rely on an ISP subdomain for your personal website
# mgdm yeah
# mgdm very few of them provided any control over it, or the ability to do any server-side code
# barnabywalters yeah I guess the modern equivalent would be ISPs running something like a mastodon instance, or something like micro.blog
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# barnabywalters yeah, in practise there’s no need for ISPs to offer services like that as so many exist already
# barnabywalters it’s getting a domain and linking it up with whatever hosting is available which is the more inaccessible part
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[chee] like http://tilde.club/ or http://sdf.org vibes but they provide members a subdomain with preconfigured indieweb stuff
# mgdm Yeah, ISPs aren't going to do that any more, I'm just awaiting them stopping providing email
# barnabywalters it’d be cool to have a registrar which works similarly to from.hr but internationally, giving out one free domain per person with verified ID
# barnabywalters maybe from.earth
# barnabywalters and a simple management UI for pointing it at hosting of their choice
# barnabywalters run by a non-profit
# barnabywalters wonders how realistic that is
# barnabywalters and of course .earth already exists https://domain.earth/
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# [girrodocus] What do you think about a .dev TLD for hosting a portfolio when seeking work in tech ?
# mgdm .dev belongs to google now doesn't it? can you get domains from there?
# gRegorLove Yes, google. Don't think you can get domains there.
# mgdm https://get.dev
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# [girrodocus] I have one from namecheap for about £10
# [girrodocus] Is being on the preload list a good thing?
# mgdm it means you can never not have HTTPS
# mgdm even if you stick yourdomain.dev in your hosts file to run it locally, your browser will throw an error unless you have HTTPS
# mgdm you probably always want it in production but it can be annoying when you're starting to get set up, I suppose
# [girrodocus] Ah ok. Thank you. It sounds fine for my use case then but that’s good stuff to be aware of.
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jamietanna[m] Snarfed thanks for the nudge, literally just confirmed it's sorted - I'm gonna need to sort out any old ones that haven't syndicated, which may involve some extra errors but will try and limit that to too many, sorry!
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# sparseMatrix Hey y'all!
# sparseMatrix Quick question, does anyone know about the o-auth dropins library (https://pypi.org/project/oauth-dropins/)
# sparseMatrix ?
# sparseMatrix is it good stuff?
# sparseMatrix heck yeah
# sparseMatrix thanks guys! also, thanks snarfed xD
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