#dev 2021-06-26

2021-06-26 UTC
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[jacky] LaBcasse[m]: hey! so I've opened this ticket https://gitlab.com/maxburon/microformats-parser/-/issues/1
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[jacky] it's ideally a way to make the objects in microformats a bit more simpler to interface with
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@bionicjulia Been wondering about #webmentions for a while, so tried implementing it yesterday. Wasn't as straightforward as I t… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1408749839559573505 (twitter.com/_/status/1408749839559573505)
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capjamesg Hello everyone!
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capjamesg Should questions in an interview be headings?
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capjamesg I just realised I have been marking up questions in my interviews as bold text in markdown.
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capjamesg I did not think about the semantics about this until now :(
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Zegnat I do not think there is really any specific semantics for something like that. I do not think I would make them headings unless the answers are long form and I would expect people to want to jump between them
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capjamesg Yeah. The answers are not usually too long.
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Zegnat Semantically I think I saw someone do the post so everything you (the blog) say (ask) are normal <p>, while everything they (the interviewee) say (answers) are <p> within <blockquote>.
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Zegnat Sort of reverse of an email, where you would be quoting the questions and your answers are unquoted.
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[KevinMarks] you can do <dl> <dd> <dt>
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[KevinMarks] <dt> for Q <dd> for A, though that assumes it is an interrogation
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sknebel not sure that is a good fit
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[KevinMarks] the irony is that <q> is for quote, not question. You could use <p> and <q>
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[KevinMarks] though <blockquote> make sense for longer aswers
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sknebel "Name-value groups may be terms and definitions, metadata topics and values, questions and answers, or any other groups of name-value data."... still feels more like for FAQs than interviews
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sknebel (quote from <dl> in html5 spec)
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petermolnar [KevinMarks]++
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Loqi [KevinMarks] has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (43 in all channels)
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petermolnar because dl is a rarely used element, yet one of the first ones
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astralbijection[ Good news: all that indieauth and micropub code I wrote for my backend works with quill! Bad news: it doesn't work for indigenous for Android. Baby steps are always good, though!
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astralbijection[ There is surprisingly little support for indieweb stuff in Django, so I'm thinking of separating out my indieauth and micropub apps and putting them up as pip libraries
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[jacky] astralbijection[m]: IIRC there's modules for IndieWeb for Django
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[jacky] what is Django
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[jacky] t is Django
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Loqi Django is a python web application framework used in some IndieWeb projects https://indieweb.org/Django
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[jacky] oh nvm
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astralbijection[ Yeah there is a webmention library, but the only micropub/indieauth library I saw was 3 years old and the indieauth spec has been updated a lot since then
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[jacky] true! tbf, I think those repos _should_ be moved under the github org
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[jacky] so it'd be easier for the community to maintain
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[jacky] if the authors want that
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GWG I think I have a plan for ticket auth, worked out at the tail end of the popup
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GWG 1. Zegnat builds a form that will send tickets on request so people can test this...and supports redeeming them for tokens for a simple resource
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GWG 2. I build a ticket endpoint and support receiving tickets and using them to get tokens
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GWG 3. We discover what works and doesn't and iterate to questions of...
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GWG 4. What happens if a site keeps sending tickets to your ticket endpoint?
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GWG 5. Can you ask for a ticket and how?
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GWG 6. How can you give your ticket to your reader?
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GWG Etc
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GWG 7. World domination
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aaronpk 4: you should assume that you need to go get a new token using the new ticket provided
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sknebel 5/6 are the bits that make AutoAuth "too complicated" :P
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aaronpk 6: that's an implementation detail between your website and your reader, which may be just internal logic or may also benefit from a separate spec
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aaronpk well that was fun, i have unlisted posts with a secret slug now
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GWG aaronpk: 4. Isn't it the social equivalent to keeping sending people invitations to a party they don't want to attend?
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GWG Ticket Auth is an invitation. What if I'm just not that into you?
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aaronpk i mean you don't have to go use the ticket in the first place, but i was assuming that you had already successfully gotten a token in the past from them
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aaronpk you can always ignore a ticket request
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Zegnat If they are coming in quick succession, you may want some sort of debouncing, as you only need to go and exchange the last one (probably)
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GWG How do I say...stop sending me tickets, I'm not interested?
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aaronpk that feels not necessary
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aaronpk you can just ignore the request
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aaronpk or rather, that feels more like an "unsubscribe" than something at the auth layer
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GWG aaronpk: I defined these as follow-up questions. I intend to try to build something, then iterate on the questions that require additional spec or thought
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GWG The reason I asked was I just intended to, for first generation, redeem every ticket I got, whether or not I plan to use it
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GWG Especially because the spec says the tickets are short lived
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GWG If I have to decide what to do immediately, I might miss it
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[snarfed] aaronpk++ unlisted++
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Loqi unlisted has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi aaronpk has 49 karma in this channel over the last year (141 in all channels)
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[snarfed] big fan of unlisted. 80% of the value of private posts with 2% of the effort/complexity
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aaronpk the previous problem with my unlisted posts was that they were guessable since my URLs are sequential
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aaronpk so this fixed it :)
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[snarfed] heh yup
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Zegnat What is unlisted?
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Loqi unlisted are publicly visible posts that are not included in a homepage or feed(s), and are typically excluded from site search features and broader web search services https://indieweb.org/unlisted
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Zegnat I like how you were already on there, aaronpk ;)
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aaronpk Oh I can update that now
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sknebel so ticket auth only gives out tokens valid for one URL? or are they supposed to be tried everywhere, if its not appropriate the error will tell the client?
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sknebel (since my site supports tokens to auth for posts already, looking how much I need to add over the autoauth logic)
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Zegnat From the wiki, I am assuming it is tokens per-path.
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Zegnat Or well, I would assume that everything under the path the token is for you should try the same token for.
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Zegnat So a token for root could be used everywhere.
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