#dev 2021-07-11

2021-07-11 UTC
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aaronpk hm this might end up being a bunch of extra work, looks like Laravel isn't compatihble with this PSR7 stuff out of the box
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aaronpk boo
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[KevinMarks] When we were explaining how quicktime streaming worked at WWDC we acted out the protocol with big bits of card as the packets and each engineer playing the component they worked on
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aaronpk i literally can't figure out how to create a response that taproot\indieauth likes from within laravel
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aaronpk the usage example here is nice but I can't figure out how to make that Response object https://github.com/Taproot/indieauth#usage
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Loqi [Taproot] indieauth: A PSR-7-compatible PHP IndieAuth Server Implementation
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aaronpk ahhhhh got it
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aaronpk `Nyholm\Psr7\Response`
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aaronpk a wild barnaby appears
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barnaby indeed, very mysterious ;)
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barnaby this is useful feedback
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barnaby I had assumed that it was clear that any valid PSR7 ResponseInterface was sufficient, looks like it needs some extra clarification
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aaronpk my big issue with all the PSR stuff is that everyone kicks the documentation problem down the road
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aaronpk so unless you are intimately familiar with all the PSR standards, it's all very hard to use
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barnaby well in theory https://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-7/ is all you need, as any implementation will be compatible with that
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aaronpk right, but most implementations don't create docs because they assume the PSR spec is good enough docs, but then the PSR specs don't actually tell you how to do anything in practice because they are documented for the implementation developers not the users
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barnaby so I guess I could at least link to that from my documentation
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aaronpk also it takes a surprising amount of digging through class hierarchies to even be able to tell whether something claiming to be an http response is or is not a psr7 compatible object
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barnaby that’s one of the things psalm is useful for
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barnaby if your code is type hinted to use the PSR-7 interfaces, and there’s a code path which will allow an incompatible object to be passed, psalm will likely pick it up
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aaronpk i mean before you even get to writing code
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barnaby but yes, I agree that it can be awkward to dig through 3rd party code and documentation
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barnaby complicated class hierarchies sounds more like a framework-specific issue though
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aaronpk so i found myself here https://symfony.com/doc/current/components/http_foundation.html#response
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aaronpk because laravel uses symfony
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aaronpk but Symfony\Component\HttpFoundation\Response is not a PSR7 response
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aaronpk there is some sort of translation layer here https://laravel.com/docs/8.x/requests#psr7-requests
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aaronpk but even that section is a great exmaple of docs failing
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aaronpk without prior knowledge, there's no indication that "nyholm/psr7" is a PSR7 implementation
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aaronpk so eventually i figured out that's what it is, and that i could create a Nyholm\Psr7\Response object
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barnaby well I can’t solve the laravel problems, but I can definitely make my documentation clearer
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barnaby …tomorrow. it’s much too late for me to say anything coherent, I definitely appreciate any feedback you end up having about my indieauth libraries though!
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aaronpk yeah i'm not blaming you for this at all, i am just generally frustrated by lack of docs in laravel and PSR things
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aaronpk hmm, i am thinking i may prefer to use this the other way around
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aaronpk right now i have to do things like override templates and create response objects for this library
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aaronpk which makes it awkward to integrate with a full framework like laravel which has its own opinions about how those things work
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aaronpk instead, i'd prefer to hand the library request objects and have it give me back error or success objects and then i could pass those on to views myself
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@DataG So I finally got http://Webmentions.IO installed on my blog. It took an extra two weeks because of this tweet: the `5.` at the beginning was being interpreted by a Markdown parser as the start of an ordered list. Had to fix that: https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-webmention_io/pull/149 (twitter.com/_/status/1414024395006398473)
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@RubygemsN authorio (0.8.0): Rails engine to add IndieAuth authentication endpoiont functionality https://rubygems.org/gems/authorio (twitter.com/_/status/1414025862458925056)
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aaronpk o.O
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Rattroupe I wondered if you had some sort of automated alert for things like that
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aaronpk cool!
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Rattroupe Thanks! I emailed you a long time ago asking if this was a good idea, but I guess that's not the best way to contact you
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Rattroupe I then went here and got some generally encouraging remarks, and now here it is. A first pass at least. It seems to work
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Rattroupe Should it be added to the wiki, or any place else? I'm looking for feedback in general
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aaronpk ah yes sorry, my email inbox is a disaster
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aaronpk definitely add it to the wiki https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#IndieAuth_Providers
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Rattroupe can anyone make edits there?
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aaronpk or i guess here https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Server_Implementations
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aaronpk if you have an indieauth enabled website you can log in!
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Rattroupe haha yes
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Rattroupe I started because I wanted indieauth enabled on my site but then thought it would be nice to make it a plugin so anyone with a rails-based site can turn it into an authentication endpoint
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aaronpk yes that sounds great!
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Rattroupe in theory it's all complete, just needs some people to test it out and submit bugs
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Rattroupe Ok I added an entry on that wiki page. Is there anything else I should do to promote it?
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aaronpk i can add it to https://indieauth.net too
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aaronpk other than that, talk about it here! :)
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aaronpk and definitely come to the indieauth session next month https://events.indieweb.org/2021/08/indieauth-popup-session-8gwaJpICmh79
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Rattroupe I should be able to be there
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk oh you can also make a wiki page for the project too, and add yourself as an example user of it
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aaronpk for example:
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aaronpk what is selfauth?
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written as single-file PHP without a database https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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aaronpk what is Authorio?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Authorio" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Authorio is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Rattroupe ok working on it...
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Rattroupe what is Authorio?
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Loqi Authorio is a Rails engine / Ruby gem that enables authentication endpoint functionality https://indieweb.org/Authorio
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[fluffy] So, question… given that so many people are implementing mechanisms on their ticket auth flow to allow simply requesting a ticket, would it make sense to formalize that in the spec? I feel like it would be very useful for the social reader subscription case.
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[fluffy] As an optional thing of course.
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[fluffy] Like it could be something as simple as formalizing a GET or POST query on the resource token endpoint.
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aaronpk I feel like that should be thought through from more of an actual use case behind it
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aaronpk like actually thinking through the social reader flow
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GWG We have a lot of options
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GWG [fluffy]: Why the token endpoint as opposed to the ticket endpoint?
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[fluffy] Because there isn’t necessarily a ticket endpoint on the granting site
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[fluffy] And the token endpoint is guaranteed to be there
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[fluffy] Not to mention the ticket endpoint is for the requestor of the ticket
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[fluffy] While the token endpoint is what’s granting the token from a ticket.
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[fluffy] My ticket endpoint would point to my reader. Not to my site.
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[fluffy] anyway, opened https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/87
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Loqi [fluffy-critter] #87 Standard mechanism for requesting a ticket auth ticket grant?
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Zegnat Thanks for getting the ball rolling on that question with a GitHub issue! [fluffy]++
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@0066cc New post: Webmentions, A Healthier Analytics https://atthis.link/blog/2021/analytics.html (twitter.com/_/status/1414194766363889664)
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@mxbck ↩️ I have the same approach - only using a webmention-based analytics tool I made: https://mxb.dev/blog/webmention-analytics/ (twitter.com/_/status/1414196844050227206)
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capjamesg Anyone have any experience using PageRank?
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capjamesg I have no background at all in NLP but I'm giving PageRank a spin for keyword identification on my search engine.
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capjamesg Sorry. Not PageRank... I meant TextRank.
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capjamesg https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/textrank/vignettes/textrank.html
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@jgmac1106 I agree/ I run no analytics on my personal website but I also want to play with webmentions as a way to build a teacher dashboard. There is an agreement of observation of data between teacher and student. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/MEr4q) (twitter.com/_/status/1414215121308635139)
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GWG Being as I'm thinking about resumes, wonder if I should resurrect https://indieweb.org/indorsements
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GWG What is assertion?
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Loqi An assertion is a relationship where one individual/organization makes a statement, asserts, or endorses that another’s statement is accurate in their opinion https://indieweb.org/assertion
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GWG Maybe talk to a certain person who liked to talk badges
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[jgmac1106] gwg webmention badges work fine....I am going to try and build them into my app as the world fights over Open Badges 3.0 and the Verifibiable Credential spec grows and grows while nobody uses it
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[jacky] just wanna give a shoutout / :thumbsup: to everyone hacking on AutoAuth stuff!
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