#dev 2021-08-13

2021-08-13 UTC
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vikanezrimaya Note to self, because I need to put it somewhere: flock() on Linux>2.6.12 works over NFS which might allow to share Kittybox data folder over NFS which might in turn allow me to distribute instances of Kittybox between servers with a load-balancer
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vikanezrimaya Filesystems are so cool
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vikanezrimaya Databases are overrated
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vikanezrimaya I am finally seeing the truth
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vikanezrimaya What is database tax
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Loqi The database antipattern is the false assumption that a database is the best option for primary long-term storage of posts and other personal content (like on an indieweb site) https://indieweb.org/database_tax
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vikanezrimaya I was trying to solve distributed Kittybox problem for such a long time and the solution was always in plain sight
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vikanezrimaya Now Kittybox can scale horizontally as much as the filesystem allows. Still a single point of failure tho, need to research NFS resiliency techniques
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capjamesg[d] I have a semantic question for you all.
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capjamesg[d] Well, two. First, how should one present categories for screenreaders. I listened to my homepage with a screen reader yesterday and everything made sense but my category names. They seemed out of context.
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capjamesg[d] "Adding links to serial blog posts Posted on: 10 August 2021 | IndieWeb" makes sense all the way up until the category name.
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capjamesg[d] Second: should one use a <footer> to mark the end of a long section?
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capjamesg[d] I'
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capjamesg[d] I am technically marking up the "footer" of an article with links to the next / previous article as well as a link you can use to email me. So it's a footer. Just not the page footer.
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capjamesg[d] I wasn't sure if you should only use <footer> to mark up the page footer.
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capjamesg[d] And just a section for every other section.
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GWG I use article tags for my h-entry with a header and footer.
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vikanezrimaya <GWG> "I use article tags for my h-..." <- Me too, me too! I use header for the meta-information section, like the published
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vikanezrimaya dt-published, I mean
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GWG vikanezrimaya: Same. I use header or footer depending on my design mood
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GWG I believe posts use footer, pages header
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GWG Right now I'm trying to figure out a new design for breadcrumbs
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Murray[d] capjamesg: semantically, it's fine to use multiple footers on a page. As I understand the spec, any section block can have its own header/footer, so as long as you're wrapping the content in a relevant section element (can be `<section>`, but also things like `<article>`) then it should be good 🙂 I guess, the larger question as to whether you should have a footer is what's in it? So long as the content makes sense in a footer (which in t
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GWG So, breadcrumbs redirects to crumbs which doesn't exist .this must be corrected
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GWG Anyone have a good visual display of a hierarchical menu of pages?
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GWG Working on restyling this https://wpdev.gwg.us/ticket-to-ride/ticket-to-ride-europe/
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Loqi Ticket to Ride Eur0pe is the 2nd game in the Ticket to Ride Series and introduces tunnels, ferries, and stations. The 1912 expansion pack includes 101 Destination Tickets - the 46 original tickets, plus 55 new ones, allowing for new variants.
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capjamesg[d] Murray++ for the semantic information. Thank you!
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Loqi Murray has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (7 in all channels)
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@lcptuk Webmention W3C protocol for notifying a URL when a website links to it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1426270641234354181)
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GWG [tantek]1: Do you have an good breadcrumb literature?
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[tantek]1 not really no. it feels mostly dated at this point. unless someone is actively using that style of navigation on their personal site, I'd say it's ignorable til them
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[tantek]1 til then*
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GWG I am trying to implement navigation for my hierarchical pages
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GWG So, in this case, /games. I was thinking of using that to do it.
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GWG But I am still experimenting.
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GWG I have /games and /projects that are pages with hierarchy
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GWG So far don't like any layout I've played with for the metadata
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aaronpk i had breadcrumbs on my 2008 site but most of the time they were only like 2 levels deep so it was kind of silly
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[tantek]1 I feel the breadcrumbs thing was kind of folks just copying each other back in the day, unclear if there's actually any user-benefit / usability.
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[tantek]1 It feels like an old pattern that's worth of critique before re-introduction
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aaronpk i definitely did it because i saw it everywhere
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GWG I'll keep playing with my design
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GWG I want to represent that this page is a subpage of this other page
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GWG That's the design I'm trying for
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GWG Maybe an up or down navigation arrow.
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GWG I just need a visual style I like
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aaronpk i feel like there are relatively few cases where that kind of hierarchy is even necessary to communicate
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GWG If I don't show the child pages, how will people find them?
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GWG I could see the case for not showing the parent
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vikanezrimaya I don't have breadcrumbs because I simply don't know what to display in them...
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aaronpk it depends on what the pages actually are
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aaronpk i am just saying that a generic hierarchical navigation structure isn't actually that practical in most cases
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vikanezrimaya My pages can also have an infinite amount of links to themselves: which link's hierarchy to display? 😂
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aaronpk then there's also the breadcrumb links which were more like an actual breadcrumb trail, showing you a history of the pages you visited on that site instead of representing page hierarchy
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aaronpk i also don't think those were very useful :)
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GWG I'm more looking for placement
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GWG So, in this context, the hierarchy is more like a category
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GWG Maybe I should display them like a p-category
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GWG They are essentially a taxonomy
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GWG I hate when I'm obsessing about little details
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[KevinMarks]1 Talking of hierarchy problems https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1426200433308090370?s=20
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@kevinmarks this is fascinating: https://twitter.com/saavikford/status/1425235201047908359?s=20 Modern students don't understand folder based file systems, likely because they have grown up with search, and with tagging as organisation rather than containment. This is stuff that we were debating 15-20 years ago as folksonomy (twitter.com/_/status/1426200433308090370)
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[KevinMarks]1 Dr Ford is finding that her students don't grasp the folder hierarchy model at all, as they have grown up without it
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