#dev 2021-09-09

2021-09-09 UTC
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[snarfed]
right, that's what I was saying, I think we're agreeing
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npd[m]
right, everything is imperfect! but it's still useful to show what is easy or what has easy paths to improvement
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[tantek]
I think we're agreeing, my concern is that Bluesky is looking for those perfect aspirations rather than things that have been iterated in practice.
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npd[m]
I guess I was thinking that what [KevinMarks] demonstrated in checking bidirectional links showed pretty promising applicability: http://www.kevinmarks.com/distributed-verify.html
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Loqi
Distributed Verification 2016-09-22
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npd[m]
although it's interesting if there was adoption of rel-me by "that Flickr, Twitter, Google+, Github, Huffduffer and GnuSocial all support rel="me" links natively" and that there's been a decrease since
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[KevinMarks]
Also mastodon adopting bidirectional verification is good
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[KevinMarks]
And huffduffer.com
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npd[m]
did Flickr, Twitter and Facebook all used to have rel-me links and then remove the attributes?
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[tantek]
npd[m] some of that decrease was as a side-effect of js;dr website development fashions.
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[snarfed]
what made you think that Bluesky is looking for something perfect?
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[KevinMarks]
They did, you can see them in archive.org
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[KevinMarks]
Publicly calling twitter to put them back is worth it. They were on the intent pages until the most recent redesign
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npd[m]
I also want to encourage Bluesky folks to look for use of existing workable technologies. I don't know yet what they'll be open to, but I thought that was a goal of the engagement
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[tantek]
The "novelty" rubric was one clue snarfed. That to me shows a misunderstanding of how *good* standards / interoperability is achieved.
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[tantek]
(and you did a good job addressing that in your proposal πŸ™‚ )
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[snarfed]
originality isn't the same as perfection, but understood
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@sampullara
@TaylorLorenz @joshelman The decentralized version that @kevinmarks mentioned is the right way to do it and it isn't owned by the platforms.
(twitter.com/_/status/1143654063281594368)
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[KevinMarks]
Well done Monica
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npd[m]
> Have an answer in something that already exists? Feel free to use it, but describe how it works, the tradeoffs, and how it can be improved. Implement your solutions as much as possible.
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npd[m]
I think there's openness to learning about and using existing protocols there
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npd[m]
* >
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npd[m]
Have an answer in something that already exists? Feel free to use it, but describe how it works, the tradeoffs, and how it can be improved. Implement your solutions as much as possible.
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npd[m]
I think there's openness to learning about and using existing protocols there
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[tantek]
Yes, openness. Which is why there's some hope
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npd[m]
* > Have an answer in something that already exists? Feel free to use it, but describe how it works, the tradeoffs, and how it can be improved. Implement your solutions as much as possible.
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npd[m]
I think there's openness to learning about and using existing protocols there
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[tantek]
that was odd, somehow got a triplicate of your message(s) npd[m]
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npd[m]
oh, sorry! I made edits in the Matrix interface to try to distinguish which part of the message was a quote/blockquote. but of course I should probably have guessed that editing messages would end up as re-sending them over bridges
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aaronpk
glitch in the matrix?
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[tantek]
πŸ˜‚
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npd[m]
the matrix puns are a lovely side effect
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[tantek]
🐈
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[KevinMarks]
At one point Brad changed his fb profile pic to a QR code to get a publicly visible url there. I think he made Social Graph API crawl that too
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[tantek]
that was quite an interesting hack
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[tantek]
given the ever increasing resolution of silo profile pics, I wonder if this has become more practical as a method
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[tantek]
combined with the side-effect use-case of someone holding a phone with camera up to a laptop screen to make a QR code "work" (phones work better with QR codes, and people are more trained to do this now)
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[KevinMarks]
There's a Metaverse snow crash angle there
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npd[m]
[KevinMarks]: do you have the code for the rel-me verification check extension somewhere? the github link from your blog post is broken
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Loqi
[indieweb] verify-me: A plugin that checks all rel="me" links are reciprocal, doing distributed verification
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[KevinMarks]
I'll fix the link
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[KevinMarks]
Voxpelli improved it a lot, mine was hackier
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capjamesg[d]
aaronpk I thought I'd written in meta description logic for og:descriptions. There was a small bug though. I'll reindex your site so your meta descriptions will be fixed. I noticed you only had og:description tags on some posts and not regular description meta tags.
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] IndieAuth Spec Updates 2020
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Sending your First Webmention from Scratch
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capjamesg[d]
I am a bit confused on how to use IndieAuth with an API key. How do I verify the access token someone has given me is in fact real / valid?
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capjamesg[d]
I'm using indieauth.com for verification right now.
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aaronpk
Oh funny, I bet that has a blank description because the first thing in the post is an image
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aaronpk
I have some code to auto generate the meta description from the first paragraph of the article. Apparently it doesn't properly ignore img tags
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aaronpk
Also not sure what you mean by "API key", that doesn't really exist in IndieAuth
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capjamesg[d]
Poor choice of words.
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capjamesg[d]
And I found an answer in the spec in looking for the right word.
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capjamesg[d]
I meant access_token not API key πŸ˜„
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] How to Sign Users In with IndieAuth
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capjamesg[d]
Oh, thanks!
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capjamesg[d]
I'll take a look.
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GWG
aaronpk: That reminds me, you wrote the web sign in protocol wiki entry....has anything other than indielogin used it to your knowledge?
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[jgmac1106]
okay my Known blog is borked beyond repair, what do folks think my best migration path, if any is possible?
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GWG
[jgmac1106]: Where do you want to go?
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[jgmac1106]
not crazy, you may have to get me back as a WP migration is easiest, been using micro.blog I dig that, if I could just get the html containing the h* I would use my personal site, I have thousands and thousands of posts I am sure
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[jgmac1106]
micro.blog just works, if I go back to WP I need to host somewhere else than reclaim for webmentions to fully function, I really like Known...but I can't keep up and now can't update
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GWG
Anything I can do to help, will try
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[jgmac1106]
thx brother
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GWG
[jgmac1106]: Do you know what format the export is in?
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GWG
I keep meaning to do a Microformats json import export function
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GWG
I need to do that to be fair to people using Post Kinds as well
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capjamesg[d]
Microsub looks very promising!
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capjamesg[d]
aaronpk Monocle looks great!
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capjamesg[d]
Anyone using Microsub actively? I’ll probably have questions πŸ™‚
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aaronpk
I use it as my main way of interacting with people online, even if I haven't made many changes to monocle lately
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capjamesg[d]
I found the star a bit confusing.
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capjamesg[d]
I then realized it was to like a post.
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capjamesg[d]
I sort of wish the star was a heart.
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capjamesg[d]
But aside from that it’s an amazing client!
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GWG
I need to fix Yarns...
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "stream.IndieWeb.org" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "stream.IndieWeb.org is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg[d]
What is stream.IndieWeb.org?
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[jeremycherfas]
!tell [jgmac1106] do you still have your Known database uncorrupted? If so, you may be able to create a completely new install of Known and then swap out the databases. I had to do that once when I messed up an update.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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