#dev 2021-10-11

2021-10-11 UTC
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aaronpk been seeing more and more things like this lately, wonder if there's any way indieauth can help https://twitter.com/_/status/1447368169342054404
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@roombaghost "A big focus of the indieweb is centralizing identity in a place that’s under individual control (currently: domain names), but that’s the complete opposite of what I want: I want it to be easier to fracture my identity..." — @WAptekar https://notebook.wesleyac.com/indieweb-thoughts-posse (twitter.com/_/status/1447368169342054404)
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angelo returning different indieauth profiles from the same domain? or wanting to have different domains entirely (loosely-tied, possibly privately)?
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aaronpk can't really tie it to the same domain, cause i'm the only user on my domain for example
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aaronpk i guess it's already solved by webauthn
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GWG Why can't you have different domains for different identities?
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aaronpk you can, but think more like if every site you signed in to was given a separate identifier
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aaronpk the main thing this is fighting right now is ad tracking
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aaronpk for example since i run aperture, i could ask snarfed to give me a list of bridgy users who have signed in in the last 30 days, then i could match them with aperture users and insert ads into their timelines
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aaronpk but if aperture and bridgy had user IDs for people that weren't the same, we'd be unable to do that
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nekr0z I think that's where https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQRL is the solution. I wonder if we could marry it with IndieAuth one day, but they seem to have opposite goals...
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Loqi Secure, Quick, Reliable Login
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aaronpk It seems like WebAuthn solves that problem better than SQRL
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nekr0z aaronpk: It depends. SQRL's main advantage is that it isn't a purely web thing, and the same auth process can be used in apps and such; I didn't read WebAuthn spec too closely, but as far as I understand, it's a purely web thing and requires JS to function...
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@ilhamtopiq ↩️ webmentions check (twitter.com/_/status/1447529774839046144)
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vilhalmer sqrl definitely has some interesting properties, I've pretty much lost hope of it ever gaining traction at this point though
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vilhalmer it's been like a decade since he started working on it
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GWG There's an IndieAuth session coming up this coming weekend. Anyone have anything as a possible discussion topic?
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/IndieAuth2
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[manton] gRegor: Thanks… I’ll look into updating that. Gmail must not be loading some of the inline CSS.
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Loqi [manton]: gRegor left you a message 1 day, 18 hours ago: FYI the micro.blog sign in email contrast doesn't look great in gmail https://imgur.com/a/6DSByKh
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capjamesg[d] There are many reasons why people choose to add microformats to their site.
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capjamesg[d] For instance, Google parses microformats. Adding microformats to your site may therefore improve your visibility in search.
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capjamesg[d] Or, rather, Google’a ability to understand information on your site.
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capjamesg[d] Also, many IndieWeb applications use microformats to enhance / as the backbone of features.
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capjamesg[d] For instance, by adding h-feed to my site, I can make it easy for compatible feed readers to read pages on my site.
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capjamesg[d] And Micropub endpoints — a bit more advanced — use microformats to convey content that should appear on your site.
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capjamesg[d] Ultimately microformats in themselves are quite simple but they are very extensible.
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capjamesg[d] For instance, microformats on sites are allowing me to build cool features towards an IndieWeb Search engine 😅
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capjamesg[d] Hope that answers your question about “why” but happy to go further!
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[Ed_Beck] So… What’s a good starter project for me to try? What’s a nice IndieWeb application for a beginner that’s just messing around?
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capjamesg[d] Great question! We have a page on the wiki for that.
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capjamesg[d] What is getting started?
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Loqi Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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capjamesg[d] Having a domain name + a h-card is a very IndieWeb thing to do!
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capjamesg[d] Great work on setting up your h-card!
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capjamesg[d] What’s your domain name?
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capjamesg[d] I think a common next step is to add webmentions to your site if it makes sense to do so.
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capjamesg[d] I have webmentions on my site so people can reply to any post on my site from their own domain.
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capjamesg[d] webmention.io is worth a look 🙂
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[Ed_Beck] ed-beck.com
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[Ed_Beck] I’m an instructional designer in SUNY. I run the domain of one’s own program and teach people how to use cpanel. We work with reclaim hosting.
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[tantek] Welcome [Ed_Beck]! How did you find us?
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[Ed_Beck] I think I have webmentions setup.
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[Ed_Beck] [tantek] Just from conferences/ open ed / OER x Domains / DoOO workspaces.
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[tantek] Great! Was wondering if you maybe knew [jgmac1106] or [chrisaldrich] who I think have been involved in some of those spaces too
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[Ed_Beck] Yeah, I’ve seen Chris present a few times.
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[Ed_Beck] went to one of his domain of one’s own meetups.
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich]++ and again, welcome [Ed_Beck]++
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Loqi [chrisaldrich] has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (43 in all channels)
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Loqi [Ed_Beck] has 1 karma over the last year
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[Ed_Beck] So I help SUNY staff faculty and students get setup with subdomains or domains. I’m just poking around trying to find some starter projects I could challenge people to try
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[Ed_Beck] I think integrating posts -> other platforms might be interesting to people.
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[Ed_Beck] I went down the h-card, microformats, indieauth route…
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[Ed_Beck] but that’s kind of not a great starter project for feeling that sense of achievement, because if noone is interacting with your site in that way, then there isn’t a “win moment”
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GWG Ah, had to look at your website to see which SUNY.
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nekr0z <[Ed_Beck]> "but that’s kind of not a great..." <- True. One might try to log in to some site that has an InideAuth login option and thus get a sence of achievement, but sending and receiving webmentions is definitely more rewarding and more fun to play with.
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capjamesg[d] I agree re: webmentions being more fun.
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capjamesg[d] I just sent you a webmention I think Ed_Beck.
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capjamesg[d] If you didn’t get it let me know. I haven’t tested for automatic webmention sending for new posts yet.
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capjamesg[d] I might build my own solution for more visibility.
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capjamesg[d] Anyway… webmentions are great because your likes / replies / whatever might show up on someone’s site.
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capjamesg[d] For instance, I show all comments from webmentions on my blog,
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GWG I need to figure out the next step to upgrade my webmention implementation
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capjamesg[d] What constitutes “upgrade”?
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capjamesg[d] aaronpk has a great tutorial on sending webmentions Ed_Beck which gave me a sense of accomplishment when I first finished it.
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capjamesg[d] https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention
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GWG capjamesg[d]: The code was originally written in 2014. It predates the standard.
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GWG It's split into two parts
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Sending your First Webmention from Scratch
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GWG So, we came up with this plan to update it, however, pfefferle and I keep getting stalled, so I work on other projects
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capjamesg[d] Ah, I see!
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[tantek] [Ed_Beck] check out IndieWebify.me, a bunch of potential “win moments” in there having another site validate your work
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GWG capjamesg[d]: That's why I'm on Microsub work right now
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[Ed_Beck] @nekr0z I’m at SUNY Oneonta, but the Domain of One’s Own initiative is shared across SUNY, so I help people at Oneonta, Geneseo, Genesee, Albany, Buffalo…
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[Ed_Beck] so I wasn’t intentionally being vague!
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GWG [Ed_Beck]: I'm a big fan of the SUNY system as a NYer
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[chrisaldrich] Welcome [Ed_Beck]! Setting up syndication with other sites like Twitter and Brid.gy can be useful and also show the power of webmention. Depending on folks' level and interest, cogdog has some tutorials and exercises he's done for past domain camps that might be useful. They should be listed on the /DoOO page.
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[chrisaldrich] What is DoOO?
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Loqi A Domain of One's Own (or DoOO) is a practice/movement (primarily within academia) encouraging people to have their own domain, post their content on their own website, and have greater control over their digital infrastructure https://indieweb.org/DoOO
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[Ed_Beck] What advantage does using Brid.gy have compared to using WordPress Jetpack’s ability to cross post to Facebook/Twitter?
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[chrisaldrich] Also I feel like we should get back to a schedule of meetups to help folks out. If you have a few favorite times that might work, let me know and I'll set something up.
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[Ed_Beck] Just more and different services?
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[Ed_Beck] The ability to reply and interact in different ways?
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GWG [Ed_Beck]: I'm still waiting for Jetpack to return the URL of the post to your site
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[chrisaldrich] GWG has a syndication functionality built into Syndication Links plugin that will provide simple checkboxes for doing different set ups in combination with Brid.gy which also returns the posted URLs on other services.
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GWG I've been waiting since https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/7359
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GWG 2017
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[chrisaldrich] It's also a much more lightweight solution and doesn't have all the extra cruft, code, and complexity of Jetpack. (Jetpack also requires another separate account which can have privacy implications for some as well.)
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Loqi [kraftbj] #7359 Publicize: Store the syndicated URLs on the local site
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[chrisaldrich] I think my favorite piece for Syndication Links is that it also advertises syndication endpoints for a variety of other IndieWeb tooling like Micropub clients and some of the readers that will allow you to use them to post and syndicate automatically as well.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Syndication Links could use a local plugin or its own implementation to trigger syndication. It doesn't HAVE to use Bridgy
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[chrisaldrich] [Ed_Beck] If you haven't run into Library Carpentry before, they might also have some interesting/useful material for students/teachers/researchers in these spaces https://librarycarpentry.org/
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[tantek] [Ed_Beck] re Bridgy vs JetPack. Depends if you want 2-way (see /backfeed) or just 1-way broadcast
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[Ed_Beck] ↩️ I’m I misunderstanding your comment?
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[Ed_Beck] ↩️ Or does it not behave like this across all platforms.
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[Ed_Beck] ↩️ This is a blog post- pushed to Facebook, with a link back to the original blog post.
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[chrisaldrich] Jetpack is certainly a Swiss Army Knife of small and sometimes useful functionalities that goes beyond the syndication space. If I recall correctly they only syndicate to two or three common platforms now and not the broader variety they used to support.
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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paul1 Is it correct, that indielogin.com redeems codes with a get request?
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GWG paul1: What do you know about Indieauth?
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GWG It should redeem them with a POST https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#redeeming-the-authorization-code
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GWG Well, the code is open source, I believe. We should be able to find out
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GWG https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/
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aaronpk it uses this indieauth client library https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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Loqi [indieweb] indieauth-client-php: Sample implementation and helper methods for an IndieAuth client.
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aaronpk oh it does it more manually, just uses some helper functions, i forgot
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/blob/main/app/Provider/IndieAuth.php#L77
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aaronpk that's a post
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aaronpk is it just me or does the new twitter API not have an API method to post tweets? https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/migrate/overview
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gRegor Maybe they realized posting was a bug
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gRegor But more seriously, sounds like it's still coming and for those core endpoints use v1.1?
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gRegor "Longer term, as we release new versions of core endpoints and features, you should expect they will replace the standard v1.1, premium v1.1, and enterprise endpoints"
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gRegor Heh, their guide the future link is 404 https://developer.twitter.com/en/products/twitter-api/early-access/guide
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gRegor *to the
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GWG That's a great way to avoid toxic posts
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GWG DOn't allow posting
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[jacky] lol
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