#dev 2021-10-15

2021-10-15 UTC
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jamietanna GWG I was going to ask the same of the IndieAuth pop-up - not sure what the big things we're going to talk about are - I can try and have a look today at any of the outstanding / interesting things we may be interested in covering?
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GWG jamietanna: We have some on the list
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GWG jamietanna: The iss thing aaronpk just added, auth for introspection, client discovery, etc
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jeremycherfas [snarfed]++ for pointing me to pathlib. I do find it simpler to get my head around.
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GWG jamietanna: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/milestone/2
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GWG jamietanna: We also have the list at https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/IndieAuth2
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capjamesg[d] What is the best way to do relmeauth for socials?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to do relmeauth for socials" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "best way to do relmeauth for socials is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg[d] Say I want to authenticate with Twitter...
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capjamesg[d] I know I need to use the URL https://api.twitter.com/oauth/authenticate.
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capjamesg[d] But I can't seem to find how to actually make an OAuth request.
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capjamesg[d] This question is actually exclusively about Twitter, please disregard my question re "best way".
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capjamesg[d] Also, what happens after I issue an access_token via a token endpoint?
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aaronpk Best way for Twitter is to find a Twitter OAuth library. You don't want to go down the route of doing OAuth 1 from scratch
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capjamesg[d] Disregard the access_token question. I found the appropriate docs on the /token-endpoint wiki page.
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capjamesg[d] Thanks aaronpk.
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GWG aaronpk: How are they doing with OAuth2?
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GWG Didn't you consult?
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aaronpk GWG: it's in progress but not all the api endpoints are under there yet. For example no way to post a tweet
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GWG aaronpk: I will wait to consider native Twitter Integration instead of Bridgy till it happens
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GWG No rush, Bridgy works
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GWG aaronpk: Do you pipe Twitter streams into Aperture?
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aaronpk Yes, via granary as well as my own custom api code
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GWG aaronpk: I am interested in learning more about that experience...I stopped reading Twitter via their app a while ago, but didn't replace it
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aaronpk it's great, highly recommended
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aaronpk the easiest way to try it is to make a twitter list with specific accounts you want to follow, then get the granary URL for that list
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aaronpk actually i guess a twitter search is easier but the quality of that feed is highly dependent on your search term. try "indieweb" for example though
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aaronpk https://i.imgur.com/eWiI9NG.png
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jamietanna Thanks GWG I'll take a look :)
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jamietanna I think https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/101 is interesting as I've definitely seen $vendorProduct at my old work doing it
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jamietanna I'd quite like https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/43 to be discussed, as I think we're getting to the point where we may want to start supporting it
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Loqi [aaronpk] #101 Consider adopting `iss` parameter
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Loqi [aaronpk] #43 Consider using OAuth Server Metadata
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GWG I want to engage more with others via my site, reading is part of it
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jamietanna I use Granary with Aperture too - I use Lists to keep up to date with folks / also search for i.e. `#IndieWeb`
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GWG Maybe that's a project for me again.. I forget why I abandoned granary for that last time... maybe the list thing.. never did that
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[KevinMarks] twitter changed he way lists worked subtly which broke granary for a bit, but it works now
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GWG [KevinMarks]: I think it was the firehose effect for me
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[KevinMarks] seeing a list wiht an unread count in monocle is a bit much yes
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aaronpk you can disable unread counts in aperture for a specific channel
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[KevinMarks] ah, I was looking in monocle
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GWG I'm working on my own system, but same problems.
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aaronpk yeah if it were a setting in monocle i'd need to either make a private API between the two or figure out what that setting should be in the microsub spec
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[KevinMarks] I was thinking ti was a display setting rather than a protocol one
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aaronpk the "universal resolver" is such a joke
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aaronpk "we couldn't get everyone to agree on an interoperable standard so we built software that talks to all the different methods"
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aaronpk (re: bluesky conf call going on right now)
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[snarfed] I mean, I can commiserate
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aaronpk 😂
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[snarfed] re single namespace with human-readable names from #indieweb...email is arguably an existence proof there
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[snarfed] sure, some people's email addresses have numbers etc, and we have large centralized participants, but still, it's pretty clear email addresses scale to the world population and are decentralized and human-memorable
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[KevinMarks] As are issuing ids under a url like twitter does
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[snarfed] yup, or Mastodon, decentralized. I thought about email specifically just because it's already scaled to billions of actual people, unlike the other existing decentralized namespaces, and is still human-memorable
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aaronpk and is also printed on business cards like was mentioned in the call :)
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aaronpk now the blockchain people are coming out in this community call
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[snarfed] oh god, did they keep going? I signed off at 10a PT
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[snarfed] ah I see your link
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@shageman Testing https://stephanhagemann.com/posts/2021-10-15-webmentions-test/ (dang: web mentions are cool, but from scratch? Kinda impossible to get right) (twitter.com/_/status/1449062621622251529)
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aaronpk now it's community chat so anyone can talk
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[KevinMarks] There is an audio thing? I just found text chat
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aaronpk see link in main channel
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[KevinMarks] The browser as universal resolver makes some sense, but that involves using URLs which they hate for some reason
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[KevinMarks] Lol, so back to twitter spaces with no way to speak
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aaronpk no now you can get in the queue
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[KevinMarks] Ah, I bet I need the app for that. I use Web twitter
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aaronpk that seems likely
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] re: RelMeAuth and Twitter, see: https://github.com/themattharris/RelMeAuth
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Loqi [themattharris] RelMeAuth: @relmeauth
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[tantek] that's the library I'm using
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[tantek] includes OAuth for Twitter so you don't have to write that either
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