#dev 2021-10-17

2021-10-17 UTC
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[tantek] “for webmentions” ? You mean for /responses ? Ones you post on your site or display from others?
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GWG Okay, this needs work probably, but initial draft of IndieAuth Metadata and the definition of the issuer identified is at https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/pull/102
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Loqi [dshanske] #102 Introduce Server Metadata and Iss Parameter
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capjamesg[d] Yes tantek.
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capjamesg[d] I was talking about showing replies to posts from other sites on my site,
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capjamesg[d] Example: a comment I left on your website.
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capjamesg[d] aaronpk is there any way to test if webmentions have been sent from OwnYourSwarm? I just enabled the feature but I don’t see the mentions.
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GWG The recording from the session yesterday is online for those who missed it
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GWG And for [chrisaldrich], I gave him his MP3 version
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], your statement "showing replies to posts from other sites on my site" is still lexically ambiguous
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[tantek] and "a comment I left on your website" would be a "local comment" and since you left it on my website, you wouldn't be showing it on your website, unless you were talking about PESOSing it back to your website?
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[tantek] Zegnat indeed, the more we can get (even) developers to speak in user-centric language, the more we can distinguish the feature/UX and the underlying protocol(s)
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[tantek] e.g. "showing webmentions" doesn't actually make any sense unless you are literally talking about showing a log of HTTP requests sent to your webmention endpoint
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[tantek] and certainly shouldn't be confused with "showing comments" or "showing likes" or "showing responses in general"
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[tantek] maybe we need a language section on the /Webmention page
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Zegnat Especially because, with private posts being discussed and opening the potential of DMs and other things, webmentions are not at all guaranteed to be responses.
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[tantek] BTW this is also the same problem with when people say "I read RSS", um, no you don't read raw XML unless you're a developer implementing a parser
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Zegnat Or even with existing services, like indienews, where webmentions are used to trigger syndication
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[tantek] yup
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capjamesg[d] I think clarity on language is necessary.
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capjamesg[d] I call webmentions responses on my site and show them segmented depending on if they are likes, replies, reposts, or bookmarks.
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capjamesg[d] What I was trying to say is suppose you wrote a post on your site. I wrote a reply in my Micropub client. Could my server an excerpt of your post and show it on my /replies page?
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capjamesg[d] Or is that not acceptable?
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capjamesg[d] Right now I just show my reply and a link to the original post.
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capjamesg[d] But I find that lacks context,
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capjamesg[d] I used webmention because this applies to any social interaction.
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capjamesg[d] If I like a post, could I also show an excerpt?
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[grantcodes] I make a copy of the mf2 content from the original site. I assume as long as it's public it's not an issue 🤷
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capjamesg[d] I just checked your site. Good example!
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[tantek] "used webmention because this applies to any social interaction" <-- that's literally what the term "response" is for instead
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[tantek] what is a response
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Loqi responses, or interactions, in the context of the indieweb, refer to all the different ways and things people explicitly do to and with others’s posts, from written replies to quick likes, in other words responses = replies + reactions https://indieweb.org/response
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[tantek] re: "now I just show my reply and a link to the original post" that entire discussion is what a reply context is
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[tantek] what is a reply context
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], note in particular: /reply-context#Levels
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[tantek] since you currently show "[just] reply and a link to the original post", add yourself briefly (like my entry) to https://indieweb.org/reply-context#URL and link to a more descriptive example of your reply-contexts on /reply-context-examples#Indieweb_Examples
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[tantek] it's fine to show only a link, it's also great to show more if you like, and there are suggestions for what more to show in that Levels section
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[tantek] anyone know if there’s a way to set /who_can_reply in the Twitter posting API?
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aaronpk I don't see it in the API docs https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/v1/tweets/post-and-engage/api-reference/post-statuses-update
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[tantek] snarfed, is this something you’ve looked into for Bridgy Publish to Twitter?
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[tantek] well that kinda sucks then. maybe it's an undocumented JSON key in the API
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[tantek] aaronpk, this seems to imply that the feature is in there: https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/21/twitter-expands-api-features-for-developers-tracking-the-public-conversation/
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aaronpk i see an api method to hide a reply for a given tweet https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/tweets/hide-replies/api-reference/put-tweets-id-hidden
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aaronpk the v2 api doesn't even have a "post tweet" method yet tho
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aaronpk you can *view* the reply setttings for a given tweet https://twittercommunity.com/t/conversation-reply-settings-tweet-field/147169
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[tantek] hmm, looks like as of June it still wasn't released: https://twittercommunity.com/t/choose-who-can-reply-to-your-tweet/156174
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[tantek] who can reply << Limitation: As of 2021 June, the Twitter posting APIs do not yet support "who can reply" or otherwise limiting who can reply to your tweets. https://twittercommunity.com/t/choose-who-can-reply-to-your-tweet/156174
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Loqi ok, I added "Limitation: As of 2021 June, the Twitter posting APIs do not yet support "who can reply" or otherwise limiting who can reply to your tweets. https://twittercommunity.com/t/choose-who-can-reply-to-your-tweet/156174" to the "See Also" section of /who_can_reply https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77470&oldid=77469
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