#dev 2021-10-27

2021-10-27 UTC
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[jacky] some decent convos from the identity space (your weekly bluesky dump, lol) https://github.com/blueskyCommunity/aozora/pull/22/files
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[jacky] tbh my interest here is how I can keep using my site as _me_ and if there's a way to make native interop more of a thing
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[jacky] and with the above, there's some plumbing to bring back things like `rel=me` (in a way)
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[jacky] but across more platforms
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capjamesg[d] I have a bit of an odd question.
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[snarfed] [jacky] "Then one or more parties operate a one or more public shared immutable ledgers, and... [jazz hands]" 😆
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[snarfed] (jazz hands mine obvs)
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[jacky] that's definitely the blockchain group coming out there
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[jacky] "everyone has to be happy" or so it goes
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capjamesg[d] I am getting a "Couldn't look up your hostname" on an IRC bot I am running.
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capjamesg[d] It's my first time running it on a server, not my local machine.
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capjamesg[d] This happens before the MOTD is shown, etc.
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[snarfed] capjamesg iirc IRC does reverse DNS lookup? if your server's IP doesn't have a DNS record for it, that might be it. but I'm guessing this isn't fatal, just a warning?
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capjamesg[d] It's fatal unfortunately 😦
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capjamesg[d] The thread stalls after that.
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capjamesg[d] Well, actually...
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capjamesg[d] I then get this "SASL authentication to a NickServ account with a verified email address is required to connect from your current network"
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[snarfed] that's probably the fatal one
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[snarfed] but I'm out of my depth here, I know very little about IRC
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capjamesg[d] I don't know the plumbing behind it.
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[snarfed] try registering with NickServ and logging in? pretty common in IRC, hopefully your IRC server's docs will help
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[KevinMarks] [jacky] can anyone edit that? because we did this already a few years ago in SocialWG https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/AccountDiscovery
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[jacky] It's a MR so you can leave a comment
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capjamesg[d] [jacky] is the #devrel community being used for the group?
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capjamesg[d] I saw it linked on DevRel page.
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[jacky] Yup!
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capjamesg[d] Thanks for the info!
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[jacky] random: does anyone have post-level permissions in their IndieAuth setup? Like _only_ allowing an editor to publish like notes or likes?
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[jacky] it's a niche use-case I figure
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aaronpk i do it by channel rather than by post type. so i can authorize a client to post only to like `/reviews` and the posts will not show up on my home page
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[jacky] gotcha!
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[jacky] I think that's a proposed extension to Micropub too now
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[jacky] so re: https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/#email-like-identifier, has this been tried out in practice? I could see `micro.blog` actually doing this like `manton@micro.blog` or the like
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aaronpk my domain is set up to do that
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[jacky] hmm gotcha
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[jacky] another random thing: https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosystem/-/blob/master/README.md
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[jacky] probably a better diagram comparing the p2p, dweb, hashweb, etc stuff in an image to show where certain things start and end
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[jacky] namely https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized-ecosystem/-/raw/master/P2P.png
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[jacky] I feel like if I had to draw one for the IndieWeb, it'd have HTTP still at networking, Data with an asterisk, Identity loosely tied to IndieAuth (but tbh, that might be another asterisk b/c it's not specific if that means authn/authz or _how_ to represent someone - we do that via hcard but it doesn't have to be, it falls back to just your URL) and then user facing being whatever your site or service is
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[jacky] I can see why _that_ would be hard to grasp but it's more about "what do _you want_ to see + use" versus "what do _I have to_ use" to get in the space
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[KevinMarks] I should make the Wardley maps for these
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Loqi +1
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[KevinMarks] The indieweb version of that is:
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[KevinMarks] Application : Browser
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[KevinMarks] Identity : URL (Domain/dns)
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[KevinMarks] Data : HTML (microformats)
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[KevinMarks] Network : Web (http)
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[tantek] jacky, that table/chart is open in a tab from back when they first published that bluesky PDF report thing
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[tantek] it's such a weird "stack" diagram in that the labels / positions don't even necessarily make sense as a way to slice it, and it's very plumbing-centric
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[snarfed] oh I shoould mention that Jay (Bluesky lead) finally got back to me
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[snarfed] "Thank you for submitting this solution to the Satellite contest! There were a lot of responses, and I'll be taking the time to evaluate every one. I haven't updated the leaderboard yet since I haven't had the chance to read them all as they come in, but Friday was the final submission deadline, so I'll be wrapping up assessments soon."
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@DenverProphitJr @nhoizey https://nicolas-hoizey.com/articles/2020/11/02/enhancing-archives-navigation-step-2/ Check https://github.com/nhoizey/pack11ty/issues/330 hardcoded WebMentions in header theme template. (twitter.com/_/status/1453485937971933191)
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