#dev 2021-11-19

2021-11-19 UTC
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[snarfed] Thanks for the kind words [chrisbergr]! For Bridgy at least, the costs are manageable, $50-60/mo (more in https://snarfed.org/2020-06-27_bridgy-stats-update-5), and setting up a paid service would cost me way more in time and effort, support, obligation, etc
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[snarfed] for Aaron's part, hopefully most or all of his costs come from https://opencollective.com/indieweb , which has a decent budget
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aaronpk 😬 I actually don't pay for those services from that budget, only the indieweb commons things like the wiki and the heroku account running microformats.io and such
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aaronpk stuff like webmention.io and ownyourswarm are on my own
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[snarfed] ah ok! seems like you could definitely consider switching at least wm.io
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[snarfed] but up to you
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[Paul_Walk] This is a really interesting discussion. The sustainability of community developed software and services is something I have wrestled with often. It's fantastic what you guys are providing here, and the fact that you are beholden to no-one in so doing helps to preserve the "Indie" nature of al this - which is valuable.
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[Paul_Walk] But this could be perceived as rather fragile - so I wonder if this also acts as an obstacle to wider adoption?
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[Paul_Walk] Apologies if this has already been thrashed out before 🙂
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[Paul_Walk] (probably in the wrong channel I realise too)
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[jeremycherfas] There has to be a simpler way to run bash scripts on a schedule on Big Sur than using launchd
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capjamesg[d] cron?
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[jeremycherfas] cron has apparently been deprecated for quite a while now. I thought I might was well try to get up do date, but it seems awfully complex. wonder how hard it would be for me to do those things from my Pi?
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[jeremycherfas] Maybe re-enabling cron is the way to go.
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[jeremycherfas] I mean, an XML file to run a script seems ripe for human (i.e. my) errors.
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[KevinMarks] We have lost some tools when the maintainer got a job that precluded them from working on them
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[tantek]2 [Paul_Walk] always a good topic, perhaps more for the #indieweb-meta channel. However these are good questions!
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[tantek]2 KevinMarks that seems more like a SPOF issue
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[tantek]2 "*the* maintainer"
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[tantek]2 programming languages and energy consumption, thought folks here might find this interesting: https://hackaday.com/2021/11/18/c-is-the-greenest-programming-language/
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[tantek]2 PHP is looking pretty good compared to other "scripting" languages
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@DavidDarnes Following along with this tutorial on adding webmentions from @TheGreenGreek: https://sia.codes/posts/webmentions-eleventy-in-depth/ I thought it… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461738903128391680 (twitter.com/_/status/1461738903128391680)
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aaronpk what's missing from that chart is the energy consumption of the build environment and installing dependencies, cause JS would be way lower down in that list including that 😂
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[KevinMarks] I was thinking of silopub particularly, so yes a SPOK problem
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[tantek]2 resists asking what is SPOK per Kyle / Kevin ambiguity 😉
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[KevinMarks] I was meaning Kyle, yes.
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@DavidDarnes ↩️ Just shared something here if you don't mind? Just want to see if anything comes up in the Webmentions API (thank you!) https://twitter.com/daviddarnes/status/1461760722988376074?s=21 (twitter.com/_/status/1461761388116910088)
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