#dev 2022-01-05
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@eay ↩️ I’m blogging on https://eay.cc since 2003. Mostly in German.
Because I regularly post small status updates & links I rely on Good Ol’ WordPress with the simple non-RTE classic editor, which is fast for publishing/editing content. Also using Webmentions and JSON feeds. (twitter.com/_/status/1478633461384724480)
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zerojames[d] jessealama What are you hoping to achieve with adding structured markup to your site?
# zerojames[d] Yes, there are 🙂
# zerojames[d] And I agree.
# zerojames[d] Likes and bookmarks are still their old structured selves and notes are marked up appropriately too. But, now there are no checkins, coffee posts, watch posts, reposts, and a few others that I have experimented with that I didn't use heavily.
# zerojames[d] My overall thought is to use markup / post types that you really need rather than over-optimizing like I did.
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# zerojames[d] Ah, I see. I don't use "taxonomy" very often so I apologise for any semantic issues.
# zerojames[d] Thanks for sharing.
# zerojames[d] Can you elaborate?
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Loqi taxonomy is an explicitly curated, often designed, set of categories or labels, often hierarchical as well, in contrast to the folksonomy of tags and hashtags https://indieweb.org/taxonomy
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# zerojames[d] That is true. That's the approach I am using now. Hashtags will correlate to new tag pages.
# zerojames[d] Thus, #watched will have a /tag/watched/ page where you can see all my watched.
# zerojames[d] *watches
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# Loqi Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/post_type
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[aciccarello] [Re-sharing post for context]: https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/04/simple-taxonomies/
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[tantek] "post types" is https://indieweb.org/posts#Types_of_Posts, and ranges from different presentations of posts to explicit post types identified by markup (PTD algorithms), to sometimes "just" certain patterns in the content of posts (one or more specific emoji or hashtags)
# Loqi tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indieweb.org/folksonomy
# [tantek] lastly a taxonomy https://indieweb.org/taxonomy is yet a different concept from any of those, if anything more abstract
# [aciccarello] I keep revisiting these Post kind vs architecture vs UX concepts anytime I add to my site. I still feel like I'm trying to wrap my head around them. Thanks for expanding on the differences.
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# [tantek] zerojames[d], re: "expand my notes field to do things like automatically add RSVP markup" <- exactly! My "RSVPs" are literally just "special" notes that my code recognizes from the first few words of the note, and then automatically adds the RSVP markup, and alters the presentation accordingly. I still write them as "notes".
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# [aciccarello] Personally I want to distinguish photo posts vs notes with posts which I think doesn't fit with post type discovery. Like I have photos I want to share which I want to distinguish from "here's a note with some related image". Does anyone else do that?
# [aciccarello] Maybe I'm too focused on making my photos page look nice 😂
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# [aciccarello] Yeah, that's one scenario I've thought about.
# [aciccarello] tantek if they both have an image and a text body how would they be distinguished?
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# [aciccarello] Ah, that's interesting. I'd have to think about how that would work with my site since I store featured images in the frontmatter of a markdown file.
# [aciccarello] I also don't have micropub setup yet
# [aciccarello] I probably should push past some decision paralysis and experiment more. I'd have to be okay with possibly reorganizing things later 🤔
# zerojames[d] [tantek] I have just deleted the post and might rewrite it to use the "post type" syntax instead.
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jamietanna zerojames[d] / capjamesg FYI https://jamesg.blog/category/post (linked from your posts) is 404ing, and https://jamesg.blog/2022/01/04/simple-taxonomies/ doesn't appear to be deleted? (as you'd mentioned you had deleted it above)
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[jacky] but since I separate my presentation site from the parts of it that run (like Micropub and Webmention), I'm tempted to have it be _yet another thing_ that listens to changes from my WebSub server to know when to add something to the index and also maybe get more information semantically from Micropub
# zerojames[d] Ah that is a downside of my current GitHub Actions setup.
# zerojames[d] I need to remember to manually purge deleted pages, which I only do every so often.
# zerojames[d] I wonder if I can update my action to do this.
# zerojames[d] [jacky] Good idea 😉
# zerojames[d] I wrote a basic crawler to index my site last year.
# zerojames[d] (Before indieweb search, that is)
# zerojames[d] And I loved having my own search feature!
# zerojames[d] I offered image search and such because I could. The sample size was small enough 🙂
# zerojames[d] Let me know if you build anything. Happy to answer questions to the extent I can!
# zerojames[d] The real bonus of running your own engine aside from being able to crawl on demand is that you can get creative with the search results if you want.
# zerojames[d] I had my search feature as another thing in my site, hosted on a subdomain.
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# zerojames[d] How do you store data on your site?
# zerojames[d] If you store most things in a DB (or at least the things you want to search), you don’t really have to write a crawler or anything like that.
# zerojames[d] I have found a lot of DB engines have powerful full text search built in.
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[schmarty] the benefits of setting up search as its own service is you can almost focus on just the bits you need/want to make a good search
# [jacky] I might have to have something run analysis on each post, build an index and maintain it over time for something like this (tbh the index could be _another_ files called `referenced_by.txt` that just has URLs of things that have linked to this entry and `referencing.txt` being links that go out)
# [schmarty] the risks are of course that "almost" - overhead for running a separate service and coordination for getting the actual data _in_
# [jacky] I think https://lunrjs.com/ does this
# [aciccarello] Yeah, that's one of the easier options if you already have a static site. A project I worked on used lunr
# [aciccarello] But it seems like a lot of docs sites use angolia now
# zerojames[d] Indeed!
# zerojames[d] Running a search server does take admin work, even if you have a relatively simple index.
# zerojames[d] I used to have a crontab job set up that crawled my site every day. The crawl took a few mins and after that the whole index was up to date.
# zerojames[d] I haven’t played that much with client side search
# zerojames[d] But I do know you can make nice search as you type interfaces with a good back end.
# zerojames[d] Just like how Algolia does it.
# zerojames[d] [schmarty] +1 re; your comment about building what you need.
# zerojames[d] If your data is in flat files, you can write a crawler that just crawls the files rather than web pages if you want.
# zerojames[d] That would reduce crawling time significantly and keep things simple on your end.
# zerojames[d] Yep!
# zerojames[d] How many pages do you have on your site?
# zerojames[d] [manton] [tantek] good points! Thanks! I’ll keep the post up and maybe write a follow up re: taxonomies vs. post types.
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# [James_Van_Dyne] zerojames: I’ve put in a couple of PRs for your indieweb-utils library. I’ve got a couple more (small) ones that I’d like to make that build off my current PRs (introduce black/flake8/mypy). Not sure if you got notifications about the open PRs? I can’t request a review from you in GH for some reason. If there’s a different way you’d like to collaborate on the project, let me know 🙂
# zerojames[d] I did indeed!
# zerojames[d] I shall take a look at them in the next few days. I greatly appreciate your contributions!
# [James_Van_Dyne] Awesome 🙂
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