#dev 2022-01-23

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[snarfed] rattroupe hmm! sorry for the trouble. Bridgy Reddit backfeed is working in general; examples on https://brid.gy/reddit/00I . I assume you're https://brid.gy/reddit/rattroupe ?
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[snarfed] looks like it's backfed one webmention for you successfully
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jacky okay so question re: webmentions
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jacky let's say I'm sending a Webmention to Darcy at https://darcy.rocks
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jacky and I attach a Vouch
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jacky if i send another Webmention in an attempt to signal an update to that initial Webmention, should I include that vouch again?
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jacky is it "safe" to say that the Webmention's been prevouched?
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jacky I'm thinking 'no' but I want to understand how I could handle a case of deduplication as a receiver (in this case, Darcy)
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rattroupe[d] [snarfed]: Yes Bridgy did backfeed one webmention, which was my own post, but it didn’t backfeed the comment on that post
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jacky that's a good point
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jacky in that case, I'll def send everything again
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jacky and just scan for the least for stuff incoming
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Loqi Countdown set by [tantek] on 2022-01-14 at 3:08pm PST
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Loqi the 4th anniversary of the WebSub Recommendation! https://indieweb.org/timeline#January
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@t73fde @301062K51219 Das mit dem Kaffee hoffe ich auch. BTW, sowohl Wackelkaffeetasse als auch Webmention-Formular tauchen bei mir in der Ansicht für mobile Geräte nicht auf. Hast was zum Basteln und Fluchen ;-P (twitter.com/_/status/1485214953560756231)
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prologic Is someone able to do some kind of real-world WebMentions test with me with a Yarn.social pod?
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prologic It appears as though webmentions.app is kinda of broken
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prologic and webmentions.rocks required IndieAuth which I don't have at this time
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prologic (yet)
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capjamesg[d] How do you resist the urge to make your site dynamic?
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sknebel I don't ;)
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capjamesg[d] As in your site is already dynamic or you just don't change it haha?
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sknebel the first
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sknebel although the bits that need dynamic arent actually that much used
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capjamesg[d] My issue is the build time.
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capjamesg[d] I can build my blog in 30 seconds on my local machine which is great.
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capjamesg[d] But it takes about two minutes for my blog to build on GitHub Actions.
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zack[m] prologic: I can help
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prologic Cool!
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@Xilantra Thank you @sprucekhalifa for writing this helpful article. How to Use Webmentions with Gatsby.js – A Beginner's Guide https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-use-webmentions-with-gatsby-beginners-guide/ #gatsby #reactjs #webmentions #IndieWeb #POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1485263731559120907)
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[jeremycherfas] [jgmac1106] I’m not competent to judge whether Known’s use of a database is an anti-pattern. I have not had the level of problems you have, for sure. However, if you trust me with the data, send me a copy of the DB and I will attempt to hook it up to a fresh install of Known.
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[jeremycherfas] I did a little poking around today, and the meaningful content of each entity is a blob containing a JSON array of the requisite information. Someone more skilled than me could probably work with that directly, but I could at least try to get Known to see it. Then you (or I) could attempt an export from Known.
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jacky been reworking lighthouse a bit to also be a microsub server
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jacky https://imgur.com/a/yiuCCxQ is what the admin interface looks like so far (just the channels listing)
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jacky the "new content" bit is going to be an average of the delta in `published_at` values of the 100 most recent posts
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capjamesg[d] Amazing!
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capjamesg[d] I love the new content section.
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jacky figured that's a good sample size
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jacky :)
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jacky hopefully this will be ironed out by March so I can write and share it
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capjamesg[d] You might be able to use that sort of mechanism to determine the optimal polling time too on a per feed basis.
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jacky write about it
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capjamesg[d] I tried to do something similar but never finished it.
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jacky capjamesg[d]: very good point! I was going to lean on WebSub but that allows for more proactive polling too
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capjamesg[d] Yes! WebSub is worth looking into too for sites that support it.
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jacky one thing I'm looking to approach is the "people-centric" flow for this
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jacky still thinking on it with the [tantek] ear worm but I do want to how I could have the channels be a representation of people (or at the very least, h-cards identifying a feed)
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jacky none might be provided so creating a synthetic one will be needed
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capjamesg[d] Oh h-card usage is a great idea.
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capjamesg[d] I expanded the microsub following usage in my reader to add a new "name" property (maybe that one is already in the spec so I didn't add it, I can't remember) and "photo" property so I can easily identify feeds in what looks like a list of people I am following.
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capjamesg[d] I think I just look for feed icons and favicons to get the image though.
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capjamesg[d] Using h-cards would make the entire list richer, falling back to feed descriptions maybe if a h-card is not available.
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Zegnat [jeremycherfas]: I’ve had a look at [jgmac1106]s Known before, and tried to update the Known version by following the upgrade guides too, and it did not help stability. There might be something going on with the actual setup :( But yeah, if the idea is to backup the content, having the database backed up might be a lot faster and easier than going post-by-post
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Zegnat Is this sort of the next evolution of Tailwind? Instead of classes in HTML, variables in CSS? https://open-props.style/
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Zegnat Has anyone worked with OpenProps?
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jacky i havne't
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jacky but this does look like it would be a better evolution than polluting HTML
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[tantek] capjamesg[d]++ yes this: “Using h-cards would make the entire list richer, falling back to feed descriptions maybe if a h-card is not available.”
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Loqi capjamesg[d] has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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[tantek] People first, feed info second only as a fallback
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capjamesg[d] I’ll experiment with this.
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[jeremycherfas] [Zegnat] Having got myself into similar sorts of muddles, anything would be worth a try.
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capjamesg[d] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577430886350869/934920075973132328/IMG_2733.png
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capjamesg[d] Here is my current following list for reference:
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capjamesg[d] Maybe that is useful to you jacky.
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capjamesg[d] I list person / feed name and then the channel in which I am subscribed to them in parenthesis.
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capjamesg[d] With h cards I could probably remove quite a lot of the meta info in titles like “all posts” etc.
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