#dev 2022-01-24

2022-01-24 UTC
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sknebel https://www.troyhunt.com/how-i-got-pwned-by-my-cloud-costs/
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[tantek] yikes and fascinating!
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@hsianghui How to Use Webmentions with Gatsby.js – A Beginner's Guide https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-use-webmentions-with-gatsby-beginners-guide/ (twitter.com/_/status/1485654389776089089)
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[manton] Anyone following what’s going on with https://ens.domains? Seems like an identity system kind of like DNS but running on the blockchain, so more expensive and requiring new apps. I want to just ignore this.
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aaronpk my advice is to just ignore it
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[manton] Cool. I think the 10 minutes I’ve invested in reading up on it is probably enough.
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[tantek] what is .eth
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for ".eth" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say ".eth is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] yeah might be worth setting up a warning for folks
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[snarfed] good news though, it's only $5/yr! ...plus $100-200 in gas
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[tantek] has someone done the math on $ amount of eth-gas burns how much actual carbon compared to $ equivalent of actual regular unleaded gas for that same amount of carbon?
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aaronpk that sounds like more effort than i would care to spend on any of this
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[tantek] oh yeah wasn't suggesting anyone actually here do it, figuring someone else might have done so since the obv irony in the "gas" name
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[manton] [snarfed] Yeah, even if this is a good idea, basing it on Ethereum seems a no-go because of gas prices. This is way more expensive than DNS, not to mention the environmental cost and incompatibility with the rest of the web. Seems like the entire namespace will be obsoleted by a cheaper blockchain later.
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jacky pretty interesting approach to a image upload from mastodon https://imgur.com/a/KbfLApP
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aaronpk it's just another way to get more people in on the scam
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jacky allowing you to pick the thumbnail region and allowing optional OCR to pull out alt text
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capjamesg[d] That's cool jacky.
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jacky yeah def curioius about how that works
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[tantek] [manton] ++ yes your analysis seems correct to me
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Loqi [manton] has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (18 in all channels)
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[aciccarello] Oh interesting. The web monetization spec (lead by Coil.com) is undergoing some pretty significant changes.
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[aciccarello] https://github.com/WICG/webmonetization/pull/193
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Loqi [marcoscaceres] #193 New Web Monetization Specification Proposal
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[tantek] Marcos is a sharp guy, will be interesting to see if anything practical comes out of this (IDK if anyone here is actually using this on their site)
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I'm looking into it out of curiosity. Seems like an important but difficult space to standardize. It'd be great to see it go somewhere.
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[aciccarello] I like this idea too https://github.com/WICG/webmonetization/issues/192#issuecomment-897851682
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Loqi [stpeter] It would indeed be interesting to find a solution here, though. For instance, a website might want to contribute its monetization "attention" to several different philanthropic organizations, not just one. But as you say, perhaps a version 2 feature....
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I looked into it found it difficult to evaluate whether supporting web monetization was worth it.
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[aciccarello] I haven't seen anywhere where Coil was required for payment.
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[aciccarello] It's also concerning that this is only driven by on actor currently.
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capjamesg[d] Yeah.
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capjamesg[d] [aciccarello] I was referring to the meta tag piece: https://webmonetization.org/docs/getting-started/
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[tantek] actors promoting monetization is kind of a problem yeah
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capjamesg[d] I haven't read too much into monetization just yet though.
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jacky one thing I do like about this spec is that glancing at SPSP, https://interledger.org/rfcs/0009-simple-payment-setup-protocol
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[aciccarello] It might be JS only 😞
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jacky someone could implement this using stripe and make it work
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jacky there's just _way_ too much focus on it being ledger-centric
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jacky tbh that might not be the _whole_ truth
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jacky platforms like Square Cash, Paypal and Venmo (maybe even Google, Microsoft and Apple since they already have subscription/payment portals) to make this a first class feature in a browser
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[tantek] jacky, agreed. there needs to be a start from something as simple as rel=payment (which of us implement) to small incremental steps on top of that
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jacky the only perk I see here with WebMonetization is that the methods of payment can be abstracted away
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jacky rel=payment (as I know it know) is mainly us putting links to our places where we can be tipped at
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jacky which is good! a social reader _could_ detect that and with an integration, give an option to tip (and make a /donation post too, heh)
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jacky _but_ I can see WebMonetization going as far as allowing more control from the payee and payer on how the money's collected (if it's even money being collected! it could be trading some digital good like a trading card on Steam) and on completion, if some sort of action should happen (like issuing a token via AutoAuth)
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[tantek] jacky, I'm not sure I understand "perk" and "can be abstracted away" being in the same sentence 🙂
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[tantek] what is architecture astronomy
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jacky haha
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Loqi architecture astronomy is the practice of analyzing problems, seeing patterns, and then generalizing to higher and higher level abstractions on top of those patterns to the point where the abstractions become so general, so vague, so detached from the original problems being analyzed, that they don't mean anything at all https://indieweb.org/architecture_astronomy
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jacky one example could be like redeeming a voucher that was like claimed offline
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jacky of said abstraction being a "perk" of sorts
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jacky very specific / solution-before-problem-y
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