#dev 2022-02-08
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@AaronGustafson ↩️ I've been taking about this with @aaronpk. We wanted to add to http://webmention.io and http://brid.gy. need to dig up the issue… (twitter.com/_/status/1490841145500258306)
# @AaronGustafson ↩️ I've been taking about this with @aaronpk. We wanted to add to http://webmention.io and http://brid.gy. need to dig up the issue… (twitter.com/_/status/1490841145500258306)
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@Cayas_Software An die #WebDevs unter uns: Sind #webmentions schon ein wirklicher Ersatz für Kommentare & Co? (twitter.com/_/status/1490981572958654464)
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capjamesg[d] What is a contact?
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Loqi communication in the context of the indieweb refers to using your personal website as a starting point and potentially way for people to contact you https://indieweb.org/contact
# capjamesg[d] What is an address book?
# Loqi contacts refers to a set of people, organizations, groups and anything else with one or more addresses (often URLs) for communication https://indieweb.org/address_book
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kinduff Yesterday I was #1 in HN for a post, and had an insane amount of webmentions. These webmentions came also with the corresponding amount of spam, or bot accounts that I didn't really wanted to publish.
# kinduff My webmention workflow looks something like this:
# kinduff [Bridgy, or Others] --> [Webmention.io Webhook] --> n8n
# kinduff n8n: [Parse, verify, create a file to GitHub] --> [New commit] --> Deploy
# kinduff So you can imagine the amount of deploys I did. I ended up removing the auto-deploy feature.
# kinduff What I did instead was to deploy manually from my local, but I saw myself also "moderating", in a way. I was deleting the webmention files.
# kinduff And then it came into my mind that I could potentitally use a storage to pre-approve webmentions before publishing them to Github.
# kinduff Has anyone have a similar experience? How do you deal with unwanted webmentions?
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# capjamesg[d] What is Vouch?
# Loqi The Vouch protocol is an anti-spam extension to Webmention. Webmention with Vouch depends on understanding Webmention https://indieweb.org/Vouch
# capjamesg[d] Vouch is one proposed way to deal with spam.
# capjamesg[d] When using Vouch, a Webmention endpoint would look for an optional "vouch" by a third-party. If you trust that third party (as defined by a registry of sites you trust that you create and maintain), and the third party links to the person sending you a webmention, the Vouch is valid. Comments with a valid vouch are much less likely to be spam.
# capjamesg[d] But, I don't think Vouch is widely supported just yet.
# capjamesg[d] My endpoint has a "approved" boolean database column that I *can* use if I want to only show webmentions I have approved to show.
# capjamesg[d] In practice, I don't really use this but it's something I really wanted to have. Webmentions that come to my endpoint are by default shown to the world but I can hide them (without deleting them) using this flag.
# kinduff > Bob sends along a third parameter, "vouch"
# kinduff We trust Bob too much though
# capjamesg[d] Although I don't know if webmention.io supports anything similar to this.
# kinduff I like your idea of having a boolean
# kinduff im doing full static though, so i need to relay
# kinduff every day is a day i consider more and more to setup a server
# capjamesg[d] Yeah. What you could do is "IF site approved by me THEN show; ELSE don't show until I change something"
# capjamesg[d] That something could be a variable in front matter, a JSON value, or whatever makes sense for you.
# kinduff like like, capjamesg[d]++
# capjamesg[d] I parse all of my webmentions using JS so I don't need to make any changes to my static site when I moderate a comment.
# kinduff you have a cache layer or are you hitting the api everytime?
# capjamesg[d] If I see spam (which I haven't yet but might), I can delete / hide the mention on my endpoint and it will immediately disappear from my site.
# capjamesg[d] I hit the API every time.
# capjamesg[d] But it's my API so I don't mind haha.
# kinduff thats super nice
# capjamesg[d] There is a webmention.js script that lets you pull webmentions from webmention.io maintained by I think fluffy.
# capjamesg[d] What is webmention.js?
# Loqi webmention.js is a common name for a Javascript library for displaying comments and likes from the webmention.io service https://indieweb.org/webmention.js
# capjamesg[d] There you go ^
# kinduff yes, i started with that one, but I really like to host them myself
# kinduff more control you know?
# kinduff so im planning to create some sort of webmention service to host and to create custom webmentions
# capjamesg[d] Absolutely. That's why I have my own webmention endpoint haha.
# kinduff for example, i have 2 scripts to parse hackernews comments, and to parse custom comments from a form I have
# kinduff i was thinking of a name, i have the domain badecaf.com which i love because who likes decaf
# capjamesg[d] I like the HN comment idea. That's really cool!
# kinduff i was thinking like "Mentioner", or "CommentZombie" (like CommentParade but theres zombies)
# capjamesg[d] I like decaf haha. But only if it's done right (and in most cases, unfortunately, it is not...).
# capjamesg[d] My webmention endpoint is called... wait for it... "Webmention Endpoint" I am bad at naming things.
# kinduff hahah
# kinduff you know what they say about naming stuff, cache and dns
# capjamesg[d] I like "Mentioner"
# kinduff or SWBG
# kinduff SWG - stupid webmention generator
# kinduff 😜
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[KevinMarks] You may need more than a boolean. You're likely to want an allowlist, a blocklist and a maybe list based on domain, and you may want to vary what you show per post. Like the twitter thing where you can change default behaviour by post, so when it does hit HN or get quote tweeted by a big rotator then you can change to hide the maybes
# capjamesg[d] [KevinMarks] I use a boolean to indicate show / hide. Although I definitely agree there needs to be a criteria for deciding whether to show / hide.
# capjamesg[d] For instance, I might choose to automatically show all posts but hide those that match example.com if I have had a bad experience with that domain in the past (spam, too many webmentions sent, etc.)
# kinduff [KevinMarks]: "Like the twitter thing where you can change default behaviour by post", what do you mean?
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# capjamesg[d] What is self hosting?
# Loqi self hosting is the practice of running the software for your personal website on hardware under your own physical control, typically on a server at home, or sometimes refers to only the aspect of running web applications on a server under your control but not necessarily in your home https://indieweb.org/self_hosting
# capjamesg[d] Self hosting << Cloudflare offers a product that helps protect web servers from attack, no matter where they run (examples cited include a "public cloud" and "a Mac mini under your TV"): https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/products/tunnel/
# Loqi ok, I added "Cloudflare offers a product that helps protect web servers from attack, no matter where they run (examples cited include a "public cloud" and "a Mac mini under your TV"): https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/products/tunnel/" to the "See Also" section of /web_hosting https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79537&oldid=78566
# capjamesg[d] That product looks to overcome my security reservations about hosting applications at home ^
# superkuh If you put cloudflare in front it's not self-hosting.
# superkuh It's even worse than hosting at some random VPS provider.
# superkuh It's actively participating in the unhealthy centralization of the internet.
# superkuh I've hosted my .com website from home for over 20 years now while being an antagonistic person on many, many IRC networks. And I have still, never, ever had to deal with a DoS attack. It really is a rare thing and not something 99% of hosts have to worry about, ever.
# superkuh Okay. I, personally, think any use of cloudflare by a human person not being forced to do it because of work is quite bad.
# [KevinMarks] I have a mac mini under a tv that runs a plex server, but plex stopped updating it (It's an original mac mini)
# [KevinMarks] oh, hang on it's a 3rd generation mac mini so it's only 12 years old
# [jgmac1106]1 !mf2 https://www.drmacscybersecuritybrief.com/2021/04/28/what-is-cmmc.html
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Zegnat This is the image I will always think of when people talk about hosting their blogs from home. http://web.archive.org/web/20150511001625/https://www.flickr.com/photos/mollyeh11/65792910/in/set-1419295/
# capjamesg[d] Name server?
# Zegnat That box is/was the home of http://dean.edwards.name/
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@obra It turns out that if you contact Spotify and ask, they'll give you your full listening history as a JSON file. Consequently, I can tell you that I have listened to 150479.589 minutes of music on Spotify since 2/14/11. (twitter.com/_/status/1491123728692178944)
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[tantek] ^ worth adding to /Spotify#Export
# capjamesg[d] It’s good to know that you can get that data.
# capjamesg[d] Unlike other platforms that will barely give you anything even if you push them.
# capjamesg[d] Not mentioning any names… 😂
# kinduff damn, another reason why i wont use spotify ever
# capjamesg[d] I don’t like how much they are tracking though.
# capjamesg[d] Luckily I moved to Apple Music.
# capjamesg[d] But Spotify will still have years of data.
# kinduff i do voluntary tracking using lastfm 😂
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# capjamesg[d] Has anyone tried to host their own DNS nameserver?
# capjamesg[d] What is a nameserver?
# Loqi A NS (name server) record in DNS tells the other DNS zone servers which servers are to be considered authoritative for zone updates https://indieweb.org/nameserver
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petermolnar I partially host my DNS
# petermolnar as in I'm one of the NS on the record, the other is digitalocean
# petermolnar the sw I'm using is nsd
# capjamesg[d] Or I suppose recursive resolver since the nameserver is typically higher up in the DNS chain.
# capjamesg[d] Did you ever consider building your own?
# petermolnar you don't need recursive to serve your dns
# capjamesg[d] The Pi Hole is pretty good for that sort of tracking.
# capjamesg[d] But it isn’t a DNS server.
# capjamesg[d] Can you share more about the authoritative server?
# capjamesg[d] I need to brush up on my DNS terminology. It’s still new to me.
# capjamesg[d] What I would like to do is have an NS record that points to something like ns.jamesg.blog and resolves queries.
# capjamesg[d] But I’d like to build it myself haha.
# capjamesg[d] I haven’t found much documentation on how to do this.
# capjamesg[d] Write the code myself.
# capjamesg[d] Apologies for the ambiguity.
# capjamesg[d] That’s what I was thinking about.
# capjamesg[d] I saw an implementation in Go from someone else too but it used a library that abstracted most of the actual details.
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# capjamesg[d] Ideally not the latter haha.
# capjamesg[d] Julia does the resolver but not the actual serving part from what I can see.
# capjamesg[d] Python has dnslib it seems.
# capjamesg[d] But I feel like this is actually a bit too much work for me to take on as a beginner.
# capjamesg[d] Although I am tempted.
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jacky actually nvm (i was thinking about considering imports for https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Search but one could do that via their client)
# jacky one could use brid.gy like this (https://twitter.com/jackyalcine => https://brid.gy/twitter/jackyalcine for example) with some knowledge of lookup for twitter -> bridgy in-built
# jacky see this is interesting too https://blog.feedly.com/easily-follow-websites-that-dont-have-rss-feeds/
# [KevinMarks] Google crawl had a thing like that that looked for repeating patterns in pages and effectively reverse engineered the templates to spot when something was added
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