#dev 2022-02-09

2022-02-09 UTC
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aaronpk TIL https://caniuse.com/broadcastchannel
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aaronpk cool feature, not available in safari
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jacky heh I can see someone doing marco polo with that API
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1491064075987873792
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@jensimmons Everyone in my mentions saying Safari is the worst, it’s the new IE… Can you point to specific bugs & missing support that frustrate you, inhibit you making websites/apps. Bonus points for links to tickets. Specifics we can fix. Vague hate is honestly super counterproductive. (twitter.com/_/status/1491064075987873792)
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[tw2113_Slack_] better marco polo than marco rubio
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sknebel heh, usual answer for safari: a way to test stuff in it :P
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aaronpk test stuff?
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sknebel even microsoft gives you free windows VMs so you can run edge for testing even if you dont use it otherwise
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aaronpk ahh
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sknebel bit harder for macOS/iOS
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aaronpk amazon offers macos on ec2 now 🤷
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sknebel yeah, $16 a pop though. (since you need to rent 24h at once, apple doesn't allow providers to rent macOS for shorter) - if you need it often enough other companies also rent macs out
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sknebel solvable, but just different baseline than everyone else
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aaronpk yeah, i have no idea what it would take for apple to ship a VM but that would definitely be nice
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sknebel plenty tutorials online for how to do it if you dont care about the license. but I also get that apple does not want to encourage that in any way
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samwilson I'm adding GPS tracking to my website, and it's super exciting seeing the map :-) So many little dots!
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jacky that's still on my to-do list
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samwilson I'm using Overland for tracking, and am going to add GPX uploading too. It makes geolocating old photos much easier.
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk At some point I'm gonna get around to pushing an app update for that. There's a few minor changes that would be nice to have out there
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aaronpk I do wish I actually knew anything about iOS development tho 😂
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samwilson I'm using the Android version. It's great! The only issue I've had is [about authorization](https://github.com/OpenHumans/Overland_android/issues/16).
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Loqi [samwilson] #16 No access token field
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aaronpk Totally missed that
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aaronpk yeah I think it's in the current code but not App Store version and not in the version they ported from
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samwilson I'm adding a GET param instead. It's not as secure, but I guess is ok.
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GWG samwilson: I switched back to GPSlogger from Overland
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GWG Mostly because they didn't fix #11.
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samwilson GWG: which GPSlogger is that? maybe I should do the same, before I get too invested
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GWG samwilson: https://gpslogger.app/
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samwilson I'll check it out
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GWG samwilson: https://david.shanske.com/2019/03/31/setting-up-compass-with-gps-logger-for-android/
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GWG And it supports headers
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samwilson Does it just send the GPS data and then not log it locally? Or does it look at the response it gets from the server? I like Overland's system of requiring confirmation
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GWG samwilson: It does either local logging or sending to a custom url or both. I even got him to put in batching
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samwilson oh cool
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samwilson it sounds pretty good
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GWG And the developer is active
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samwilson yeah that's a plus
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GWG It's not customized for the use case, but it's the best available in my opinion
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capjamesg[d] This is a good read: https://daverupert.com/2022/02/complaining-about-web-browsers/
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Loqi Before I go: When it comes to complaining about web browsers
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jacky capjamesg[d]: yup - very hi
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jacky *high quality post
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jacky like
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jacky https://www.leemeichin.com/posts/yes-i-can-connect-to-a-db-in-css.html
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capjamesg[d] The OOM killer keeps killing my Microsub feed polling service.
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capjamesg[d] Unfortunately I have also had to temporarily close IndieWeb Search because the server i'm running everything on is a tad overwhelmed.
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capjamesg[d] Actually that's an understatement. The OOM killer keeps killing Elasticsearch before it even has a chance to fully start.
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sknebel oops
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capjamesg[d] Is there a more affordable host than DigitalOcean that still has good reliability?
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capjamesg[d] A 16GB server on DigitalOcean is $80 per month.
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sknebel hetzner
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sknebel one rung lower but in my experience also reliable, netcup.de
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capjamesg[d] Hetzner would be 10 pounds cheaper per month. That's good.
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sknebel (VPS with 16GB: 16€ at netcup, 20 at hetzner)
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sknebel (or 64GB dedicated box for 40 at hetzner)
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capjamesg[d] What page were you looking at?
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sknebel for which
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capjamesg[d] The Hetzner 16GB server.
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sknebel https://www.hetzner.com/cloud CX41
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capjamesg[d] Oh I totally misread that page. Wow.
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capjamesg[d] I looked at CPX51.
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capjamesg[d] That is so cheap.
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sknebel (shared CPU cores though, but if you mostly want more RAM that should be ok - kind of depends on your workload)
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capjamesg[d] This is going to be deployed as a web server hosting Elasticsearch and Mediawiki.
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capjamesg[d] And some other apps.
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sknebel (above the price grid there is a switch to go to the dedicated cpu instances)
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sknebel (still ~half of DO)
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sknebel (but at that point honestly the dedicated server becomes more attractive if its something you want long-term)
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capjamesg[d] sknebel++
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capjamesg[d] Does anyone have any experience migrating an Elasticsearch server? It might be a long shot to ask though.
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jacky not I
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jacky tbh I'd rsync the files over between the server
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jacky the number of times I've done that to 'migrate' info between machines (heh)
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[snarfed] capjamesg you might also consider asking aaronpk et al for some of the https://opencollective.com/indieweb budget, since this project serves the community
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aaronpk 👍
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GWG Wonder if we can get coupon codes from a provider for community members.
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jacky I think this was a prior discussion point
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jacky and i think micro.blog has done this to a degree
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jacky but specialized readers are something we're kind of lacking, no?
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jacky in the sense that they're optimized for a particular "format" of posts
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jacky I ask because I'm curious about how such a tool would even begin to build feeds for people
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sknebel some of the readers (microsub clients) have post-type specific views
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jacky yeah I think Together has one
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jacky maybe I'm thinking more like "I want something that _only- does this"
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[snarfed] [manton] has a few? eg https://www.sunlit.io/ . maybe a calendar/events one too?
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jacky yeah that's the one
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capjamesg[d] sknebel I have began moving all of my apps over to a Hetzner cloud server.
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sknebel good luck, hope it works out well :)
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sknebel I find moving setups always stressful, because it turns up all the tiny pieces I didn't do in an obvious way and didn't write down :D
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capjamesg[d] I had to make some risky changes to the elasticsearch config to get it to even boot.
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capjamesg[d] Apparently you can only export elasticsearch documents if the service is running 😦
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[snarfed] another manton type-specific reader: https://github.com/microdotblog/wavelength
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jacky [manton]'s been cranking them out!
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aaronpk maybe i can convince manton to help me with my GPS tracking app :D
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[manton] Ooo, maybe! 🙂
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[manton] We started to experiment with adding location check-ins to Sunlit, via Apple’s map info. Really want a replacement for Swarm.
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aaronpk oh interesting, that's something i hadn't considered, but would be easy to overlap the two
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aaronpk right now mine is strictly a GPS tracking app, but i often get feature requests that start to make it sound more like swarm
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[manton] Cool.
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[manton] The problem is nothing really compares to Foursquare’s database.
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aaronpk also doing things like tracking runs/rides
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aaronpk which i only sort of have support for in the app
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[manton] Yeah, that’s probably a good fit for your GPS app… What people use apps like Strava for.
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aaronpk for example i'd love to get the app generating the route maps on the device itself, that way you could easily post them to your website
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@erikkroes ↩️ Would webmentions meet those requirements? (twitter.com/_/status/1491495630681817091)
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@VlozadaDev ↩️ usando #webmention entre otras cosas de la #idieweb, portafolio y otros proyectos en mente. Antes hacer todo esto tenia su merito y conseguías trabajo fácilmente en el Área IT, pero las cosas han cambiando, y todo esto que te cuento no es suficiente para postular a un empleo (twitter.com/_/status/1491502058301796363)
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capjamesg[d] sknebel Around half of my web apps are now on a new server.
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capjamesg[d] I found a great tool called elasticdump that makes it easy to export content from elasticsearch, too.
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capjamesg[d] I am storing 10-15 GB of data for IndieWeb Search right now.
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@schnarfed ↩️ and https://brid.gy/! (twitter.com/_/status/1491512250468761605)
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[schmarty]1 heh. finally got a use-case for rollin' my own HLS video and remembered some discussion in the indieweb chat between aaronpk, fluffy, and more.
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[schmarty]1 https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-09-23#t1600840452450500
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aaronpk nice
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[schmarty]1 aaronpk consider this a far-future request to finish that post 🙈
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aaronpk now why would i have promised something by 10am the next day...
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[schmarty]1 you had just finished posting your own copy of a talk in HLS and i think it wasn't yet available from the conference folks.
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aaronpk huh
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aaronpk well i did get that talk posted, with captions and everything
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[schmarty]1 haha, yup, i think that's the post you linked to earlier in the chat.
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aaronpk aha! I did post instructions!
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aaronpk on the wiki!
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=streaming&diff=72768&oldid=72741
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/streaming#How_to_publish_a_video_for_streaming_from_your_own_website
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[schmarty]1 dang, nice! my searches failed to turn those up 😅
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[schmarty]1 aaronpk++
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sknebel hm... now if the wiki could show webmentions on chat lines, future-schmarty could find that reference by seeing the log for today linked from there :D
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sknebel sigh. the wiki? the chat log site
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aaronpk haha what would that look like? slack threads?
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sknebel hm, maybe. or just a link to a page with a list
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sknebel (both from a small icon on the chat line)
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jacky random: https://xn--sr8hvo.ws/ might need some sort of an update for PKCE
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jacky my site fails hard since it always expects people to have it
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jacky probably should also not make it such a hard requirement
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[schmarty]1 jacky: it's been so long since i touched that auth code (or updated my internal understanding of indieauth) 😐
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[schmarty]1 PRs welcome 😂 https://github.com/martymcguire/indiewebring.ws/blob/master/lib/indieauth-authn.js
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jacky _tbh_ I wonder if it would just require a bump to `indie-authentication` (that lib you're using)
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jacky ah you made that
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jacky lol
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capjamesg[d] When I read authn I got really excited because I thought you meant webauthn. Never mind haha.
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jacky ah a fellow gitea user; taste! (lol)
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jacky capjamesg[d]: heh
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[schmarty]1 hahaha yeah bad news about the authorship on that lib 😅
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Loqi nice
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capjamesg[d] Webauthn allows things like Yubikey with.
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capjamesg[d] *auth
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[schmarty]1 heck yeah gitea! i honestly wish i used it more.
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[schmarty]1 capjamesg: i named that little helper "indieauth-authn" because it's _only_ the authentication flow.
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jacky okay I _think_ I can see where the changes would have to be made
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jacky puts that on a backlog
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[schmarty]1 😅
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[schmarty]1 now i feel like i should get to it first to save you the work of taking on an unfamiliar Someone Else's Project lol
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capjamesg[d] 😂
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aaronpk bookmark this for when you get to it! all the high level changes are described here https://aaronparecki.com/2020/12/03/1/indieauth-2020
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] IndieAuth Spec Updates 2020
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[schmarty]1 oof that really clarifies how long that's been on my TODO list. aaronpk++
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[schmarty]1 back to HLS stuff, i am trying this solution for ffmpeg that is (so far) cranking along well: https://docs.peer5.com/guides/production-ready-hls-vod/
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aaronpk time flies
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barnaby evening! I’m taking a look at getting CI working again for php-mf2, but I don’t seem to have sufficient access to the repo — I can’t add new workflows, or see the settings page. any ideas why? can someone make me an owner or whatever is necessary?
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aaronpk ah i can do that
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aaronpk you should have an invite now
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Loqi agreed.
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barnaby okay, I still can’t see settings (which I’d like to use for getting online documentation and code coverage set up) but I do have access to workflows now, which is a good start
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aaronpk try now, i just added you specifically to that one instead of just to the team
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barnaby working now! thanks aaronpk++
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi :D