#dev 2022-02-24

2022-02-24 UTC
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aaronpk whoa, i was able to configure my okta account to use *my own website* as an IdP
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aaronpk (thanks to the recent indieauth updates that made it more like traditional oauth)
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[tantek] that's pretty awesome
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aaronpk i was not expecting that to work tbh
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[tantek] unintended or can you document it as official?
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aaronpk definitely can document it
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aaronpk long story short, no need to add OpenID Connect ID Tokens, only needed to have the userinfo endpoint respond with the info okta uses to provision the user on that end
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[snarfed] aaronpk++
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[schmarty] wowowow
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@l3gacyb3ta http://arcadewise.me/hedonism.html owo testing webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1496663888699420672)
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capjamesg[d] Good morning IndieWeb!
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capjamesg[d] aaronpk++ Nice!
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capjamesg[d] Oh no, I said good morning in #dev instead of #chat 😂
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[schmarty] good mornings are appreciated and needed here, as well!
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jacky would it make sense in practice to automatically convert URLs to links in a request like h=entry&content=Check+out+https://indieweb.org (ignore incomplete encoding)
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jacky I don't know if I want to do this automatically or rely on a Micropub client to send the plain form and HTMLform of a payload
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jacky (some don't!)
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aaronpk I would say yes it's a good idea to turn urls into Hyperlinks for the html version of you can. It's surprisingly hard to auto link urls in HTML later
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jacky that makes sense!
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[tantek] it is hard, and that's one of the reasons I made my auto_link function idempotent. that is you can run it on the output and it won't double-link things
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[tantek] GWG, for a page, an h-feed of h-cite items/children. For a post (e.g. "cool links this week"), an h-entry with "just" a list of h-cite children inside.
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aaronpk should work now
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jacky aaronpk++ ty!
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barnaby I imagine pure HTML templating using PHP DOMDocument would be quite slow, unless you had a preprocessing stage
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[KevinMarks] If you want to generate a table /grid layout with 2 or 3 loops it's trickier to express that without a lot of implied convention
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barnaby and DOMDocument has many, uh, quirks
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[tantek] and how often are you finding yourself having to "generate a table /grid layout with 2 or 3 loops"?
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[tantek] like nearly never
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[tantek] so stop optimizing for far out there edge cases
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barnaby we do that all the time at work
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[KevinMarks] Well, in my day job, all the time
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barnaby more rarely on my personal site though, admittedly
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[tantek] personal sites / pages?
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[tantek] right this is the point and why I said it was a use-cases / needs question
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[KevinMarks] Unmung is mostly templates
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[KevinMarks] An example of convention done well is https://observablehq.com/@observablehq/plot
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[KevinMarks] Which will do its best to make you a sensible graph which you give hints on what to do.
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[tantek] fundamentally the methodology for a "good" templating language IMO needs to be is it easy to edit and roughly preview without having to "run it through the whole system"? in otherwords, does it roughly "work" as static HTML?
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[tantek] so in this regard, I think that means templating that at least allows for (if not encourages) placeholder content in the template which is later replaced
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[aciccarello] I get more annoyed with learning the templating language's version of control flow operations.
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[tantek] maybe I'm the only one that doesn't see control flow as essential in templates
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[KevinMarks] Do you have lots of small templates that you combine then?
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[KevinMarks] the vscode cycle of edit and refresh makes it easy enough to iterate for me
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[tantek] I want templates to be editable / previewable without "running code" or setting up an environment to do so
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[tantek] Every time I've tried to (and even gotten help with!) setting up a local dev "environment" to "run all the code", it breaks in some random way with an OS update or language update or something. It sucks and is an annoying tax
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[tantek] it has also felt like a bad layering violation. why should I have to run procedural code just to edit/preview the visuals of a template?
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[tantek] thats like anti-modularity
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[KevinMarks] Right, but then you end up in "the test data doesn't match reality" problem, like when they don't try long names
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[tantek] sure, or short posts vs long posts
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aaronpk oof, i just hit a weird bug with namecheap. one of my domains had the nameservers flipped without me doing anything.
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aaronpk i emailed support and they said they are aware of the problem and are fixing it, and offered me a free domain name as an apology
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barnaby heh, “sorry, have a free domain name which you’ll have to pay x$ per year for afterwards” is an interesting consolation gift
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aaronpk haha
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[snarfed] woowww that's not ok
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