#dev 2022-03-05

2022-03-05 UTC
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prologic Anyone interested in working with me to define and build an indieweb-style messaging/chat/im ?
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GWG Not something I think I could help with at the moment, but I'll follow with interest
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GWG prologic: Maybe stop by Create Day tomorrow and someone will come up
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aaronpk there be dragons
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prologic Well if anyone is interested hit me up on IRC :)
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prologic I probably won't make it tomorrow sorry, family time :)
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aaronpk matrix is probably the best example of a modern attempt at that. XMPP before
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prologic I disagree :)
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aaronpk i will just tell you now, creating an alternative is more a marketing problem than a technology problem
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prologic You are right, this is absolutely true
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prologic For example trying to convince your family/friends to join Signal, because it's arguably probably the only decent e2e encrypted service that actually gives two shits about your privacy and security is a "hard" task
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prologic not impossible mind you, but hard
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prologic But of course it's a "centralised" service and a "centralised platform" -- everyone needs to be on it, etc (Uggh)
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prologic for all it's good points, those are it's own downsides
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jacky been working on a 'composite' editor https://7c20aa03fc15.ngrok.io/web/composer
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jacky the hope is that, by using the properties a endpoint defines for a post type, I can make an editor ask what kind of post one would like and it'd present a form with said fields (optional ones not immediately shown)
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[schmarty] jacky++ this is very cool!
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Loqi jacky has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (60 in all channels)
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jacky heh I was actually building this with you in mind [schmarty] from our prior discussions on it
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jacky that "Edit For" button would be the way to craft posts on the fly
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jacky it's a bit like the icon of posts that Quill has
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jacky right now, I'm trying to generate the mf2 json on the fly
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[schmarty] I got a glimpse of it and am pretty excited to see where it goes. Visiting from my phone and found that it refreshed every few seconds so I couldn't dig too deep 😅
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sknebel jacky: do you have a writeup of your various code bits and their status somewhere?
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sknebel poked around a bit on git.jacky.wtf, but thats a bit unclear without deep digging
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jacky [schmarty] oh yeah, it's living on my computer
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jacky sknebel: I _should_ but I do not
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jacky I think I might make the Wiki live as that
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sknebel could always put it in the IW wiki temporarily in/under your user page
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sknebel if "need a wiki first" is the barrier right now :D
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jacky heh right
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[schmarty] jacky: ooh just reading your updates to the Lwa page. i was just talking about the PWA-with-a-proxy approach with a friend this week. i feel very vaildated to see you building that way 😂
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[schmarty] (i've been thinking too deeply about trying to do everything in the browser and falling back on the proxy only when the browser can't, like because of CORS)
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jacky heh that's where I'm at - the browser can do the work of stitching together the mf2 json pretty well; anything else that _has_ to live on a server can be put there :)
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Murray[d] counterpoint for relative dates: I find that kind of date much easier to immediately parse. Like, right now I look at Maggie's site and see it says "1 week ago" which is *way* easier for me to immediately grok than if it said something like 22/02/22. And for most content, just a vague idea of age (x months, x years, etc.) is all you really need to know to properly understand its context. The exact date is overly specific 🙂
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Murray[d] (and that's not even taking into account how hard it is to read dates thanks to the variety of possible formats. Is 01/02/22 in Feb or Jan? Who knows! But 1 months ago, that makes sense)
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jacky Murray[d]: yeah, that's why I always adapt timestamps to local human friendly vlaues like that
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jacky like values that wouldn't require math to determine how far it is from right no
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jacky *now
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GWG There are some people who have a mix...for the first few days it is human time differences, then after that it is absolute dates
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jacky hm that does make sense when it's 'old enough'
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Murray[d] I can understand that but I wonder whether the only reason older dates seem less confusing is that people will just look at the year and ignore the rest; they effectively convert to "x years ago" themselves, so it might be better to just provide that directly. Though I'm aware I use absolute dates on my own site, so a bit hypocritical 😀 It's interesting to think about though 🙂
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GWG Well, I have situational dates to a degree
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GWG A day based archive only shows the years next to the posts.
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GWG Year based archives don't show the year, as that is in big letters at the top, etc
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[snarfed] one common pattern (GitHub, Twitter, Bridgy, etc) is to render a relative time but also show the absolute date in a tooltip on hover
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[snarfed] (and in mf2 values, obviously)
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jacky ^
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[snarfed] also https://indieweb.org/relative_date
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jamietanna jacky++ Lwa looks awesome!
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Loqi jacky has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (61 in all channels)
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jacky [schmarty]: this is the 'fleshed out' idea for the proxy https://indieweb.org/Lwa#Web_Proxy
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jacky it's taking a few cues from /IndieAuth
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jacky ty!
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[schmarty] This proxy looks great!!
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jacky now for implementing :)
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